'lie gate' - McLaren given suspended sentence

Ed · Post by Ed » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:29 pm

The McLaren/Hamilton 'lie-gate' scandal continues to make the headlines. The latest is a report in the Sunday Times claiming that Hamilton talked to Max Mosley about wanting to leave the McLaren team and even the sport (story).

We will report all the latest on this scandal here.

Here are all the related articles in chronological order:

FIA may re-open Trulli investigation

FIA summons Hamilton to new stewards inquiry

Hamilton excluded from Melbourne results

Hamilton, McLaren 'deliberately misled' stewards

McLaren will not appeal Hamilton exclusion

'Further action' against Hamilton possible - FIA

McLaren did mislead stewards, FIA insists

Race bans possible for 'liar Lewis' - press

McLaren sacks Dave Ryan over lying saga

Whitmarsh confirms sporting director suspended

McLaren, Hamilton lied, Whitmarsh comes clean

'Sorry' Hamilton says Dave Ryan told him to lie

Alonso, Bernie, rub salt into McLaren's wounds

FIA 'recognises' Hamilton apology

Whitmarsh will not quit over 'lie-gate'

Mosley gets involved in 'lie-gate' scandal

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:04 pm

And Ralf says Hamilton is not the first liar in F1

"Lewis was surely not the first"

Why did you have to comment Ralf ? Why ?

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:43 am

The FIA have asked the McLaren team to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council on the 29th of April following the misleading of the Australian GP stewards by The McLaren team and Lewis Hamilton.

The FIA statement read:

EXTRAORDINARY MEETING OF THE WORLD MOTOR SPORT COUNCIL

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been invited to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, 29 April, 2009, to answer charges that, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, it

- on 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton in Car No. 1 to allow Trulli in Car no. 9 to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue;

- procured its driver Hamilton the current World Champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards;

- although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise;

- on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement;

- on 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing that what he was saying to the stewards was not true.

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:46 am

And the McLaren team issued the following statement confirming its full co-operation as well as announcing that McLaren and Dave Ryan have parted ways.

McLaren acknowledges receipt of an invitation to appear at an FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris on April 29, received this afternoon.

We undertake to co-operate fully with all WMSC processes, and welcome the opportunity to work with the FIA in the best interests of Formula 1.

This afternoon McLaren and its former sporting director, Dave Ryan, have formally parted company. As a result, he is no longer an employee of any of the constituent companies of the McLaren Group.

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:11 pm

The latest on the so called 'lie-gate' is that Ron Dennis may have been involved and that Hamilton is considering leaving the team!

Keep in mind though that at this stage all sorts of rumours are flying around!

'Lie-gate' rolls on, Hamilton to Brawn?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:59 pm

I think Ross might be quite happy with his current drivers, and team stability.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:05 am

Oh how convenient Mr Hamilton and Dad .... taking the moral high ground at a time when the McLaren isn't really quick.

Didn't you stick by McLaren amid all that spying episode, why didn't you leave then ? or was it just at the time you had a chance to win the title and now you don't ?

Lewis you lied, there is no excuse for that. You are 24 years old and a free person. You cannot simply blame someone else for lying. You could have stood for your values and said no, this is not what happened. Perhaps you are doing a Mosely ... oh they told me so and so and I beleived them .....

And what did Trulli do to you ? He is one of the nicest and most honest drivers out there and you quickly forgot that a Toyota handed you the championship last year.

And lets see how this is spun to make McLaren look as the bad guys and Lewis as the innocent driver (both are to blame in my view)

And to those who blamed Alonso for the events in Hungary, this episode surely vindicates him for all what happened in that terrible year at McLaren.

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:22 am

JayVee wrote:Oh how convenient Mr Hamilton and Dad .... taking the moral high ground at a time when the McLaren isn't really quick.

Didn't you stick by McLaren amid all that spying episode, why didn't you leave then ? or was it just at the time you had a chance to win the title and now you don't ?

Lewis you lied, there is no excuse for that. You are 24 years old and a free person. You cannot simply blame someone else for lying. You could have stood for your values and said no, this is not what happened. Perhaps you are doing a Mosely ... oh they told me so and so and I beleived them .....

And what did Trulli do to you ? He is one of the nicest and most honest drivers out there and you quickly forgot that a Toyota handed you the championship last year.

And lets see how this is spun to make McLaren look as the bad guys and Lewis as the innocent driver (both are to blame in my view)

And to those who blamed Alonso for the events in Hungary, this episode surely vindicates him for all what happened in that terrible year at McLaren.

Yes Lewis should have told the truth from the start but I don't believe he would be the only driver in current or in the past that would lie.
To us the viewing/paying public it is a sport that we love and support but I
think that to the teams it is first and foremost a multi million dollar industry and money is the prime concern. Sponsors etc who want to see value for their dollar are more important than ticket sales etc. Except of course to Bernie who can sell of the television rights around the world.
As they say "any publicity is good publicity".

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:45 am

Apropros of nothing, and in no reply to any particular post, Lewis lied.
Simply that, he lied.
Yet plastered all over the BBC website are banners of Lewis saying "I am not a liar".
Would someone point out to Lewis, if you say something which is not the truth, you are a liar. Regardless of orders, threats, cajoling, if you say something which is a lie, YOU are a liar.
Lewis lied.

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:08 pm

Latest articles on the 'lie-gate' scandal amid calls for the FIA to drop the case or be lenient as Mercedes are said to be considering pulling out if the penalty is too harsh or their reputation is too damaged. There is also talk about Hamilton quitting and moving to a different series.

Race bans possible for McLaren - Bernie

FIA incompetence triggered 'lie-gate' - Stewart

FIA should drop 'lie-gate' - Ralf Schumacher

Quitting could destroy Hamilton - Stewart

Ed · Post by Ed » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:22 am

Latest article on the 'lie-gate' scandal

Hamilton to face FIA probe alone - report

Ed · Post by Ed » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:10 am

Latest articles related to the 'lie-gate' scandal:

Sutil - racism causing Hamilton controversies?

Whiting says Hamilton apologised for lies

Stewart tells Brawn - don't sack Rubens for Lewis

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:35 am

Ed wrote:Latest articles related to the 'lie-gate' scandal:

Sutil - racism causing Hamilton controversies?

Whiting says Hamilton apologised for lies

Stewart tells Brawn - don't sack Rubens for Lewis

Hambone is, imho, far less important to Brawn than most people think.

RE30B#16 · Post by **RE30B#16** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:27 pm

Julian Mayo wrote:Apropros of nothing, and in no reply to any particular post, Lewis lied.
Simply that, he lied.
Yet plastered all over the BBC website are banners of Lewis saying "I am not a liar".
Would someone point out to Lewis, if you say something which is not the truth, you are a liar. Regardless of orders, threats, cajoling, if you say something which is a lie, YOU are a liar.
Lewis lied.

So now he really is in the same league as Senna and Schumacher!!!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:20 pm

RE30B#16 wrote:
Julian Mayo wrote:Apropros of nothing, and in no reply to any particular post, Lewis lied.
Simply that, he lied.
Yet plastered all over the BBC website are banners of Lewis saying "I am not a liar".
Would someone point out to Lewis, if you say something which is not the truth, you are a liar. Regardless of orders, threats, cajoling, if you say something which is a lie, YOU are a liar.
Lewis lied.
So now he really is in the same league as Senna and Schumacher!!!

Yup,...................