Monza

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:32 am

Getting ready for Monza.

Nico Rosberg has been busy at Monza. He clocked up 72 laps and a fastest time of 1.22.038. Alonso set the fifth fastest time and Michael Schumacher seventh.

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:03 pm

Thanks jacfan for the update.

There is a mega test in Monza this week with all the teams present in preparation for the Italian Grand Prix at the end of next week.

There were 10 stoppages during the test. Jarno Trulli (Toyota) and Gary Paffett (McLaren) suffered engine failures. Michael Schumacher suffered hydraulic problems limiting his running.

Fisichella, Webber and Button covered the most number of lap with over a 100 laps each.

Redhead · Post by **Redhead** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:33 pm

It'll be interesting to look back at this session after the race and see if there is any correlation between the test results and the race results

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:57 pm

Yes but one needs more data. Fastest lap in testing doesn't mean much. The top 5 from yesterday were separated by under 3 tenths but we don't know what tyres they were on, what fuel loads they had, etc ...
You'll need access to the lap by lap times, then one may be able to establish a correlation. But we don't have access to lap by lap times from this test

jacfan · Post by **jacfan** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:17 pm

Just good to see Williams getting some good results during testing. I agree that we don't have enough data.

Redhead · Post by **Redhead** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:29 pm

Ed wrote:Yes but one needs more data. Fastest lap in testing doesn't mean much. The top 5 from yesterday were separated by under 3 tenths but we don't know what tyres they were on, what fuel loads they had, etc ...
You'll need access to the lap by lap times, then one may be able to establish a correlation. But we don't have access to lap by lap times from this test

Too true, Ed, it is a shame

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I was thinking along the lines of filtering what data was available through the BS-ometer and seeing if anything interesting showed up.

At the very least we may be able to see who was putting in hero laps cos the VIP bus had just turned up

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:49 pm

Redhead wrote:
Ed wrote:Yes but one needs more data. Fastest lap in testing doesn't mean much. The top 5 from yesterday were separated by under 3 tenths but we don't know what tyres they were on, what fuel loads they had, etc ...
You'll need access to the lap by lap times, then one may be able to establish a correlation. But we don't have access to lap by lap times from this test
Too true, Ed, it is a shame .

I was thinking along the lines of filtering what data was available through the BS-ometer and seeing if anything interesting showed up.

At the very least we may be able to see who was putting in hero laps cos the VIP bus had just turned up

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:10 pm

Ed wrote:Yes but one needs more data. Fastest lap in testing doesn't mean much. The top 5 from yesterday were separated by under 3 tenths but we don't know what tyres they were on, what fuel loads they had, etc ...
You'll need access to the lap by lap times, then one may be able to establish a correlation. But we don't have access to lap by lap times from this test

Also sometimes teams test special setups just to find the limits of their cars/engines. Those setups are usually not suitable for race conditions. While they may be good for short term tests they tend to cause overheating problems in the long run. Still it's a common way of unnerving the opponents

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:01 pm

Yes I agree that testing is also used to get those components to their limits and beyond. Also testing is used to attract attention and sponsors.

This test however is mainly about tyres and the low downforce kit on the cars. This is the last remaining low downforce track on the calendar.
Only Canada is close and that is run in a medium/low downforce configuration.

We could see a surprise result here!

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:31 pm

Here are the Monza test times Day 1

1 F. Massa (Ferrari) 01:22.013
2 G. Fisichella (Renault) 01:22.082
3 L. Badoer (Ferrari) 01:22.543
4 M. Webber (Williams) 01:22.663
5 H. Kovalainen (Renault) 01:22.914
6 A. Davidson (Honda Racing F1 Team) 01:23.185
7 J. Trulli (Toyota) 01:23.423
8 O. Panis (Toyota) 01:23.667
9 S. Vettel (BMW Sauber) 01:23.771
10 J. Rossiter (Honda Racing F1 Team) 01:23.910
11 A. Wurz (Williams) 01:24.060
12 N. Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) 01:24.084
13 N. Jani (Red Bull) 01:24.315
14 G. Mondini (Midland) 01:25.525

Day 2

1 R. Kubica (BMW Sauber) 01:22.244
2 G. Fisichella (Renault) 01:22.265
3 F. Massa (Ferrari) 01:22.272
4 F. Alonso (Renault) 01:22.323
5 N. Rosberg (Williams) 01:22.453
6 M. Schumacher (Ferrari) 01:22.526
7 J. Button (Honda Racing F1 Team) 01:22.640
8 N. Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) 01:22.650
9 R. Barrichello (Honda Racing F1 Team) 01:22.968
10 J. Trulli (Toyota) 01:23.267
11 V. Liuzzi (Toro Rosso) 01:24.324
12 R. Zonta (Toyota) 01:23.549
13 C. Klien (Red Bull) 01:23.570
14 S. Speed (Toro Rosso) 01:23.615
15 M. Webber (Williams) 01:23.719
16 P. De La Rosa (McLaren) 01:23.910
17 G. Paffett (McLaren) 01:23.937
18 C. Albers (Midland) 01:24.895
19 D. Coulthard (Red Bull) 01:25.090
20 S. Yamamoto (Super Aguri) 01:25.646

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:55 pm

Snowy wrote: 10 J. Trulli (Toyota) 01:23.267
11 V. Liuzzi (Toro Rosso) 01:24.324
12 R. Zonta (Toyota) 01:23.549

Thanks man. But I believe Liuzzi appears at the wrong ranking (day 2). Or maybe his time is 1:23.324... Not a life and death situation for sure, just so you know

Snowy · Post by **Snowy** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:01 pm

gkaytaz wrote: Not a life and death situation for sure, just so you know

I'll be having words mit those damned Honda people...*%$?*& they've done this to me for the last time

gkaytaz · Post by **gkaytaz** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:03 pm

Snowy wrote: I'll be having words mit those damned Honda people...*%$?*& they've done this to me for the last time

Aw, no need to cross swords with them on my account

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:17 pm

The fun with reporting best lap times from test sessions!

Unless there are official times, the times reported by the teams vary widely.

For example. of the teams that reported the fastest time on day 2 at Monza; BMW Sauber reported that Zonta set the fastest time with a 1:21.80, McLaren reported Kubica set the fastest time with a 1:22.243, Renault reported Kubica set the fastest time with a 1:22.245.

Of course Honda reported Kubica with a 1:22.244!

And a few media outlets reported Rosberg set the fastest time with a 1:22.038

Go figure!

We'll see what day 3 brings!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:18 pm

Snowy wrote:
gkaytaz wrote: Not a life and death situation for sure, just so you know
I'll be having words mit those damned Honda people...*%$?*& they've done this to me for the last time

sic 'em Snowy