The 2007 Chinese Grand Prix

[Kapel]

Sorry didnt get to see the race..pity..

JayVee i have to admit..i totally agree with wht u said..

I dunno y but have a feeling,its not gonna b a clean race or atleast without some controversy

[F1greyhound]

Hey Kapel,

hard to do but I also agree with Jayvee....

Nevertheless I was defending MICHAEL and I want to defend LEWIS now. Have to say it was an enormous achievement this year, I couldnt imagine LEWIS going anywhere near FERNANDO before the season started. As for character and sporting spirit, I feel more disappointed about FERNANDO.

As for China, I agree with SEBASTIAN being the driver of the day, pity he lost it in Japan but as posted in the regarding thread Im sure it was a bit of LEWIS work...who definitely should have been called in by the team 1 or 2 laps earlier in Shanghai, I would put 100% of the blame on the team because even watching the race on TV I was thinking why dont they bring him in, the car was desperate losing over 5secs per lap....KIMI certainly was smooth enough, however I had to laugh about FELIPEs after-race comment "I hoped for a win today..." Yeah, thats what the team would have hoped for....taking away 2 points from KIMI....

As for Brazil, Im pretty sure of a KIMI-FELIPE 1-2 and after that one of the MCLARENs .....if LEWIS keeps his cool he wont be beaten for WDC, after all he just needs to finish 5th.

[RE30B#16]

As for Hamilton, well I didn't mind him but since I heard him speak I got that feeling that this guy tries to fool the media and the fans into appearing as a nice person.

Oh, Crypes!! So what if he is not a nice person?!!! Hamilton is no different than Michael Schumacher. He is articulate and charming especially with the press. On track, he is a monster. Some guys are straight poopholes with the press like James Hunt, Nelson Piquet, or Nigel Mansell. So what??!?

Lewis Hamilton is not in Formula 1 to make friends. He is there to win races and championships, period!! I am a big fan of Fernando Alonso, but FA could have handled this season with a bit more aplomb considering he is now the grizzled old veteran at age 26.

I came to dislike Michael Schumacher mainly for his desperation antics during actually races (eg: Dodgey moves against Damon Hill 1994 and Jacques Villeneuve in 1997), and his unwillingness to support Eddie Irvine's championship challenge to Mika Hakkinen in 1999. Hamilton has yet to do anything like that safety car antics notwithstanding. He has not crashed out an opponent a la Senna style.

Lewis Hamilton is in the enviable position of being "the chosen one" at McLaren not unlike Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, and Mika Hakkinen were in the past. He has proven he can deliver the goods. He is brimming over with confidence. He is Tiger Woods in a race helmet.

You guys sound like the NASCAR fans who dislike Jeff Gordon because "he wins too much."

[GhoGho]

As for Hamilton, well I didn't mind him but since I heard him speak I got that feeling that this guy tries to fool the media and the fans into appearing as a nice person.

Oh, Crypes!! So what if he is not a nice person?!!! Hamilton is no different than Michael Schumacher. He is articulate and charming especially with the press. On track, he is a monster. Some guys are straight poopholes with the press like James Hunt, Nelson Piquet, or Nigel Mansell. So what??!?

Lewis Hamilton is not in Formula 1 to make friends. He is there to win races and championships, period!! I am a big fan of Fernando Alonso, but FA could have handled this season with a bit more aplomb considering he is now the grizzled old veteran at age 26.

I came to dislike Michael Schumacher mainly for his desperation antics during actually races (eg: Dodgey moves against Damon Hill 1994 and Jacques Villeneuve in 1997), and his unwillingness to support Eddie Irvine's championship challenge to Mika Hakkinen in 1999. Hamilton has yet to do anything like that safety car antics notwithstanding. He has not crashed out an opponent a la Senna style.

Lewis Hamilton is in the enviable position of being "the chosen one" at McLaren not unlike Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, and Mika Hakkinen were in the past. He has proven he can deliver the goods. He is brimming over with confidence. He is Tiger Woods in a race helmet.

You guys sound like the NASCAR fans who dislike Jeff Gordon because "he wins too much."

[Jim Watt]

Hullo Mates!

Have to say I am not surprised that Lewis is unpopular. And RE30#16 (what a mysterious moniker! ) is certainly on target comparing the hostility he generates to that generated by Jeff Gordon in NASCAR. You might say it's ridiculous to hate people for winning so much, but if you are a passionate fan of any driver yet to win a WDC, it has to drive you crazy to see a kid seemingly waltz into a 'winning' car and come immediately into contention.

It's true that no one is in F1 to make friends or win popularity contests (and that includes even the really nice guys like Jarno and Kubica!), but one must remember that no one is forced to risk his life racing with someone he doesn't trust or can't deal with either.

All the great ones have ugly moments (and that includes saint Senna and 'our' Nige). So fear not for Fernando; he's not losing any sleep over little Louis --nor will he think even once about handing the WDC to Kimi. What both he and Kimi will be doing in Brazil, if they get a chance, is inviting Louis to take himself out --along with them. I mean it's going to be important to both the Finn and the Spaniard to have two more victories than the WDC.

And Louis, [whether he's nice or not] won't bite. As Jay Vee, I think, pointed out: all he has to do is beat Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld to fifth place to win.

Odds are he will. He's a smooth driver, immensely talented. And not stupid.

I've really enjoyed this season; and I hope my driver [Kimi] ends with a big win. But even if he doesn't, it's good to know that Lewis will be the one everyone loves to hate next year.

Jim Watt

P.S. I wish that the geniuses in F1 making the rules understood that second place is not worth 80% of winning. If they were really serious about the 'overtaking' problem, they'd give the top of the podium 20 points; second place 8, etc.

[Bundy]

I don't believe Lewis is charming with the press. I think he uses & manipulates the press for his own purposes. He may be articulate but I'm sure he knows that and uses it to his advantage.

I couldn't care less what race etc he is. I'm a half Pom, half Greek, 6ft 2in, thinning, 31 year old, Holden supporting, Aussie w*nker.

My problems with LH are similar to JV & everyone else. He is a devisive character like Michael was. Maybe he hasn't done the on track things Michael did but then neither had Michael in his rookie year. It all comes down to character and in this regard he is found wanting (In my opinion).

He has a burning desire to be 2007 WDC same as FA & Kimi but neither of these guys character are being questioned like Lewis's because they don't bring it on themselves like he does.

You may not agree with it but that is how I see it & it seems I'm not on my own.

Personally I would like Massa to take care of Hamilton & let FA & Kimi fight for the championship. That I believe would be the best result for F1.

& on that note GO WEBBO!!!!!!!

[jacfan]

Go Bundy!!! Well said and I agree with you 100%.

[Bundy]

Go Bundy!!! Well said and I agree with you 100%.

Thanks JacFan

[jacfan]

Everything you said makes sense so one would have to be blind or something else to disagree with you.

[gkaytaz]

I don't believe Lewis is charming with the press. I think he uses & manipulates the press for his own purposes. He may be articulate but I'm sure he knows that and uses it to his advantage.

I couldn't care less what race etc he is. I'm a half Pom, half Greek, 6ft 2in, thinning, 31 year old, Holden supporting, Aussie w*nker.

My problems with LH are similar to JV & everyone else. He is a devisive character like Michael was. Maybe he hasn't done the on track things Michael did but then neither had Michael in his rookie year. It all comes down to character and in this regard he is found wanting (In my opinion).

He has a burning desire to be 2007 WDC same as FA & Kimi but neither of these guys character are being questioned like Lewis's because they don't bring it on themselves like he does.

You may not agree with it but that is how I see it & it seems I'm not on my own.

Personally I would like Massa to take care of Hamilton & let FA & Kimi fight for the championship. That I believe would be the best result for F1.

& on that note GO WEBBO!!!!!!!

[jacfan]

It is very quiet around here. Anyone heard from JM? Strange for him not to have something to say.

[Snowy]

I've read some foookin' shoot in my time

[jacfan]

I've read some foookin' shoot in my time

And I am sure you will read a LOT more in the future, as we all do.
You don't have to agree just the same as we don't have to agree with you.

[Jim Watt]

Right. Let me see if I have this correct: Bundy says he hates Lewis because he is somehow unsporting. Or something. And JacFan (usually I agree with him, by the way) says he agrees with Bundy. 100 percent.

But didn't Bundy call, in that same message, for Felipe to "take Lewis out" so that Kimi and Fernando could contend for the WDC?

So it isn't underhanded if it forwards YOUR agenda?

So I am beginning to understand now: It's TRUE that what's wrong with Jeff Gordon (sorry, I know this is F1, but Jeff wasn't MY example; he was someone else's in this long strange and somewhat incoherent thread) and Michael Schumacher is that they win too many races --if you hate Jeff and Michael.

And if the only way for your driver to win is to be underhanded, then it isn't underhanded. Of course, that's only true as long as he isn't caught. Then he's a victim of unfair application of the rules.

I think we're all ready for a nice long winter's nap and brain cell regeneration.

Jim Watt

[gkaytaz]

Right. Let me see if I have this correct: Bundy says he hates Lewis because he is somehow unsporting. Or something. And JacFan (usually I agree with him, by the way) says he agrees with Bundy. 100 percent.

JacFan's a she.

But didn't Bundy call, in that same message, for Felipe to "take Lewis out" so that Kimi and Fernando could contend for the WDC?

That's merely hoping. Incidentally I happen to support that hope wholeheartedly

So it isn't underhanded if it forwards YOUR agenda?

Forward our agenda? Bit dramatic ain't it?

So I am beginning to understand now: It's TRUE that what's wrong with Jeff Gordon (sorry, I know this is F1, but Jeff wasn't MY example; he was someone else's in this long strange and somewhat incoherent thread) and Michael Schumacher is that they win too many races --if you hate Jeff and Michael.

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I do not hate Hamilton because he wins too much. I do not hate Gordon either... The reason why I dislike Hamilton is that he does not know his place on or off the track (mostly off the track). Big words and "I am the One!" attitude is just tasteless. I just wish that something will happen to his car and make him lose the WDC title. That'll put him in his place and rightfully so.

Oh and the thread is not incoherent at all; most people dislike Hamilton and give their reasons clearly

And if the only way for your driver to win is to be underhanded, then it isn't underhanded. Of course, that's only true as long as he isn't caught. Then he's a victim of unfair application of the rules.

Beg to differ. If the SC incident had happened to Alonso he'd have gotten a sizable penalty for sure.

I think we're all ready for a nice long winter's nap and brain cell regeneration.

Jim Watt

I shall hibernate in peace only after Hamilton loses the title.