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Bundy wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

<T-K> wrote:

Thats the differemce between there and here......The people here are a greedy bunch, here we will stand in line for six hours just to claim our R24.50 prize

R4.80 an hour ?

Thats 90c Australian and hour......F@#k That!!!

About what Toyota should be paying Ralf , if he brings his own sandwiches

That's twice in a row Ralf has taken someone out, I expect FISA will be contemplating a review of his Superlicence

About what Toyota should be paying Ralf , if he brings his own sandwiches

Keep sandwiches for you
Do you think Toyota will pay Ralf such a huge salary for nothing? and do you thing Williams was wrong to keep him for 6 years, and they try to keep him longer, but Toyota end negotiation early to take him. I think Ralf is very good driver but he never drive winning car just to get the result. Every man had worked with him said that he had the potential to be champion. in Silverstone he keep the car in the road after speed crash on him but while fighting with the car he take Webber with him, no body balm speed but all blame Ralf to take Webber out in uncontrolled car, why?
In Canada Ralf may have a bet on harder compound as he expected to be hot and he will gain from that, but it turn over on him. He was slow obviously, but he did not force JV to pass in the exit of the 2nd corner where overtaking is not possible, he can wait until before next corner, but he must take the blame, why? I reminder you that he score 8 point in car that not competitive. but you will keep blaming Ralf every time he make accident even some body crash on him, you will say he brak early ... and so on.
Please give him a break.

Amjad wrote:

About what Toyota should be paying Ralf , if he brings his own sandwiches

Keep sandwiches for you
Do you think Toyota will pay Ralf such a huge salary for nothing? and do you thing Williams was wrong to keep him for 6 years, and they try to keep him longer, but Toyota end negotiation early to take him. I think Ralf is very good driver but he never drive winning car just to get the result. Every man had worked with him said that he had the potential to be champion. in Silverstone he keep the car in the road after speed crash on him but while fighting with the car he take Webber with him, no body balm speed but all blame Ralf to take Webber out in uncontrolled car, why?
In Canada Ralf may have a bet on harder compound as he expected to be hot and he will gain from that, but it turn over on him. He was slow obviously, but he did not force JV to pass in the exit of the 2nd corner where overtaking is not possible, he can wait until before next corner, but he must take the blame, why? I reminder you that he score 8 point in car that not competitive. but you will keep blaming Ralf every time he make accident even some body crash on him, you will say he brak early ... and so on.
Please give him a break.

Umm I don't know why they blame Ralf.

Amjad wrote:

About what Toyota should be paying Ralf , if he brings his own sandwiches

Keep sandwiches for you
Do you think Toyota will pay Ralf such a huge salary for nothing?
yes



and do you thing Williams was wrong to keep him for 6 years, and they try to keep him longer, but Toyota end negotiation early to take him.

yes

I think Ralf is very good driver but he never drive winning car just to get the result.

I disagree

Every man had worked with him said that he had the potential to be champion. in Silverstone he keep the car in the road after speed crash on him but while fighting with the car he take Webber with him, no body balm speed but all blame Ralf to take Webber out in uncontrolled car, why?

because he could have kept it to the left


In Canada Ralf may have a bet on harder compound as he expected to be hot and he will gain from that, but it turn over on him. He was slow obviously, but he did not force JV to pass in the exit of the 2nd corner where overtaking is not possible, he can wait until before next corner, but he must take the blame, why?


Because it 13 times too many that he causes this type of problem


I reminder you that he score 8 point in car that not competitive. but you will keep blaming Ralf every time he make accident even some body crash on him, you will say he brak early ... and so on.
Please give him a break

No .....he has caused too many breakages on other drivers
There is such a wealth of talent, in F1, and even more so, just outside F1.
He has had too many years to have another chance. Much as I wish the best for him, Mark Webber has only one more season to prove himself a would be world champion.
Button and DC are finished.
Trulli is finished.
I want to see the best drivers in the best cars in the World. No more, no less.......if that is not happening, it is Formula Y., not F1

Julian Mayo wrote:

Amjad wrote:

About what Toyota should be paying Ralf , if he brings his own sandwiches

Keep sandwiches for you
Do you think Toyota will pay Ralf such a huge salary for nothing?
yes



and do you thing Williams was wrong to keep him for 6 years, and they try to keep him longer, but Toyota end negotiation early to take him.

yes

I think Ralf is very good driver but he never drive winning car just to get the result.

I disagree

Every man had worked with him said that he had the potential to be champion. in Silverstone he keep the car in the road after speed crash on him but while fighting with the car he take Webber with him, no body balm speed but all blame Ralf to take Webber out in uncontrolled car, why?

because he could have kept it to the left


In Canada Ralf may have a bet on harder compound as he expected to be hot and he will gain from that, but it turn over on him. He was slow obviously, but he did not force JV to pass in the exit of the 2nd corner where overtaking is not possible, he can wait until before next corner, but he must take the blame, why?


Because it 13 times too many that he causes this type of problem


I reminder you that he score 8 point in car that not competitive. but you will keep blaming Ralf every time he make accident even some body crash on him, you will say he brak early ... and so on.
Please give him a break

No .....he has caused too many breakages on other drivers
There is such a wealth of talent, in F1, and even more so, just outside F1.
He has had too many years to have another chance. Much as I wish the best for him, Mark Webber has only one more season to prove himself a would be world champion.
Button and DC are finished.
Trulli is finished.
I want to see the best drivers in the best cars in the World. No more, no less.......if that is not happening, it is Formula Y., not F1

As the Beatles put it:

"He's got a ticket to ride, He's got a ticket to ri-i-ide.........."

GhoGho wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

Amjad wrote: Keep sandwiches for you
Do you think Toyota will pay Ralf such a huge salary for nothing?
yes



and do you thing Williams was wrong to keep him for 6 years, and they try to keep him longer, but Toyota end negotiation early to take him.

yes

I think Ralf is very good driver but he never drive winning car just to get the result.

I disagree

Every man had worked with him said that he had the potential to be champion. in Silverstone he keep the car in the road after speed crash on him but while fighting with the car he take Webber with him, no body balm speed but all blame Ralf to take Webber out in uncontrolled car, why?

because he could have kept it to the left


In Canada Ralf may have a bet on harder compound as he expected to be hot and he will gain from that, but it turn over on him. He was slow obviously, but he did not force JV to pass in the exit of the 2nd corner where overtaking is not possible, he can wait until before next corner, but he must take the blame, why?


Because it 13 times too many that he causes this type of problem


I reminder you that he score 8 point in car that not competitive. but you will keep blaming Ralf every time he make accident even some body crash on him, you will say he brak early ... and so on.
Please give him a break

No .....he has caused too many breakages on other drivers
There is such a wealth of talent, in F1, and even more so, just outside F1.
He has had too many years to have another chance. Much as I wish the best for him, Mark Webber has only one more season to prove himself a would be world champion.
Button and DC are finished.
Trulli is finished.
I want to see the best drivers in the best cars in the World. No more, no less.......if that is not happening, it is Formula Y., not F1

As the Beatles put it:

"He's got a ticket to ride, He's got a ticket to ri-i-ide.........."

............................"n he don't care"

Julian Mayo wrote:

Amjad wrote:

About what Toyota should be paying Ralf , if he brings his own sandwiches

Keep sandwiches for you

Do you think Toyota will pay Ralf such a huge salary for nothing?
yes

So you know better than Japannes where to put your money?

and do you thing Williams was wrong to keep him for 6 years, and they try to keep him longer, but Toyota end negotiation early to take him.
yes

and you say that williams and head can't read the status of thier driver and they keep paying money for 6 years to driver that can't give them any benefit ..... intresting?

I think Ralf is very good driver but he never drive winning car just to get the result.

I disagree

Jordan ....
Williams ....
Toyota....

I wounder if any win during my slumber

Every man had worked with him said that he had the potential to be champion. in Silverstone he keep the car in the road after speed crash on him but while fighting with the car he take Webber with him, no body balm speed but all blame Ralf to take Webber out in uncontrolled car, why?

because he could have kept it to the left

when some one hit you from right, the car end go to left and front go to right, so basically the car will head to right and then you can't judage the car behivier afterward. it one of racing basics

In Canada Ralf may have a bet on harder compound as he expected to be hot and he will gain from that, but it turn over on him. He was slow obviously, but he did not force JV to pass in the exit of the 2nd corner where overtaking is not possible, he can wait until before next corner, but he must take the blame, why?


Because it 13 times too many that he causes this type of problem

I don't remmber any because he finished 14/19 race last year.

I reminder you that he score 8 point in car that not competitive. but you will keep blaming Ralf every time he make accident even some body crash on him, you will say he brak early ... and so on.
Please give him a break

No .....he has caused too many breakages on other drivers
There is such a wealth of talent, in F1, and even more so, just outside F1.
He has had too many years to have another chance. Much as I wish the best for him, Mark Webber has only one more season to prove himself a would be world champion.
Button and DC are finished.
Trulli is finished.
I want to see the best drivers in the best cars in the World. No more, no less.......if that is not happening, it is Formula Y., not F1

that my aim too, to see intersting racing, overtakings... i dont care if it was MS or Alonso or Ide the important is to see good racing, i don't need to see car just lapping. we need racing, but some time you see that driver is underestamited and you every one blaming him,
final woundering? during last season and this season who much mistake and accident JPM done compared to Ralf?

I could be wrong but I get the feeling our Julian is NOT a big fan of Ralf's.

jacfan wrote:I could be wrong but I get the feeling our Julian is NOT a big fan of Ralf's.

I doffs me lid to you, Your Astuteness.

I am firmly of the belief that Ralf is employed by the Cologne (Germany) based Toyota team for reasons other than his ability to hit the same piece of Indiana architecture, in the same spot, two years running.

Julian Mayo wrote:

jacfan wrote:I could be wrong but I get the feeling our Julian is NOT a big fan of Ralf's.

I doffs me lid to you, Your Astuteness.

I am firmly of the belief that Ralf is employed by the Cologne (Germany) based Toyota team for reasons other than his ability to hit the same piece of Indiana architecture, in the same spot, two years running.

Great effort Julian Mayo, you now blam ralf because of blown tyres, mistake which michalin scream on air that its problem, did you see what i mean? you just want to blam, that all.

Amjad wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

jacfan wrote:I could be wrong but I get the feeling our Julian is NOT a big fan of Ralf's.

I doffs me lid to you, Your Astuteness.

I am firmly of the belief that Ralf is employed by the Cologne (Germany) based Toyota team for reasons other than his ability to hit the same piece of Indiana architecture, in the same spot, two years running.

Great effort Julian Mayo, you now blam ralf because of blown tyres, mistake which michalin scream on air that its problem, did you see what i mean? you just want to blam, that all.

Year before last wasn't michelin to blam.

I doffs me lid to you, Your Astuteness.

Yes I picked that up somewhere along the line. Just as I am now picking up a touch of sarcasm

Julian Mayo wrote:

Amjad wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:
I doffs me lid to you, Your Astuteness.

I am firmly of the belief that Ralf is employed by the Cologne (Germany) based Toyota team for reasons other than his ability to hit the same piece of Indiana architecture, in the same spot, two years running.

Great effort Julian Mayo, you now blam ralf because of blown tyres, mistake which michalin scream on air that its problem, did you see what i mean? you just want to blam, that all.

Year before last wasn't michelin to blam.

I too would like to play the blam game.
Toyota is to blam.
Why?
Because thay persist with 2 good drivers, but a driver combination which will never allow them to win races, let alone championships.
The styles and preferences of the 2 drivers are so different that the car will never be developed fully in one direction or another.
Earlier in the season when Ralph was going well, Jarno was crying about the way the car feels. Now, with the latest developments, the car is better suited to Jarno and Ralph is strugling to find a good setup resulting in lack of faith in the car.
If a driver has no confidence in the car he wont get results. (Julian excluded as I get the feeling he would drive the wheels off anything )

Toyota need to hire 2 drivers with similar driving styles and likes/dislikes in the way a car feels, only then they will be able to develop the car to the drivers strengths and start winning races.

If this means dropping Ralph so be it!

In My Humble Opinion

jacfan wrote:

I doffs me lid to you, Your Astuteness.

Yes I picked that up somewhere along the line. Just as I am now picking up a touch of sarcasm

NO NO No No no no. It wasn't meant that way at all.