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I know that Launch Control is illegal in F1; and I also know that if the Ferraris were leaping whole rows of cars like Fernando at the Malaysian start the threads would be full of anti-tifosi wails of distress about how Jean Todt was pulling the Maxter's strings again.

The commentators even remarked on the rather bold wheel spin Fernando tossed in just before lining up on the marks (and you have to give it to him; if JPM had tried anything like it, he'd have ended up over the pit wall!)

I guess what I'm asking is are the Michelins truly able to stick that well? Nico Rosberg, I think, said after the race that his wheels were spinning like crazy and that's why he fell back.

whatever; I'm looking forward to Kimi slamming the door on Fernando this week end when he tries it again (I expect the cute one to be either right behind him (in 3rd qual spot) or maybe (in order to get the jump) outside him in 4th. No matter who it is between the Kimster and Fernando, though, that person or person is going to be swallowed and spit out by turn number 1 (a soft right hander) or certainly by #3 (a hard right).

what say you wearers of the Blue and Yellow?

Jim Watt

Jim,
J.V.
(run,man,run)

Well I don't know the technical details, but if they are not cheating (and no commentator or "expert" has said they might), well they are bloody good eh.

Jim, there is no such thing as launch control any more!

I think traction control kicks at some stage after the start but the start is a manual process. So it is a combination of a quick reaction, a good clucth, good Michelins and other sleeping drivers.

Kimi can't close the door Jim cause Alonso will start from Pole

JayVee wrote:Jim, there is no such thing as launch control any more!

I think traction control kicks at some stage after the start but the start is a manual process. So it is a combination of a quick reaction, a good clucth, good Michelins and other sleeping drivers.

Kimi can't close the door Jim cause Alonso will start from Pole

Yes, it is a manual process, in as much as the driver has to press the button which says "start", after cycling thru the other buttons on the warm up lap How many cars "bag up" and leave 30 metre black telltales on the grid. The starts are governed by the individual programs in the chip. They will run "launch control" where the team with the best program/chip wins the start,
and it will be ever so until the drivers have only a clutch pedal, and a control ECU for each car. We went thru this rubbish with V8 supercars for a whole season. A certain team would spend the entire practice and Qual sessions concentrating on race set up safe in the knowledge they could come from the third row to first into turn 1,...til a photo journo took photos of the grid. that teams cars left a metre of rubber, a space of a few centimetres,10 centremetres of rubber.......then nothing.
To read your posts Alonso, "The Bullfighter", is the only driver with reflexes.....Lordy how do the others manage to stay on the track ?????


Yeah, I am having a bad hair day........but Geez JV, you are a champ...get a grip

Jim Watt wrote:I know that Launch Control is illegal in F1; and I also know that if the Ferraris were leaping whole rows of cars like Fernando at the Malaysian start the threads would be full of anti-tifosi wails of distress about how Jean Todt was pulling the Maxter's strings again.

The Renault is specifically designed to be very strong accelerating out of slow corners, with its weight being moved toward the back end. Other teams have not gone down this road perhaps because of tyre wear issues or just not fitting with other design philosophies. However a by product of this movement of weight toward the rear end is excellent traction from a standing start. I will try and find the article I read that in for greater detail but I'm pretty sure it is the weight and the rear design philosophy that is the deciding factor in all this. Why none of the other teams have adopted it is a bit of a mystery but then isn't everything in F1.

I found the article in Autosport! (do we trust them?) this is what they have to say.

A combination of a rear-heavy weight distribution, a beefed-up gearbox and transmission and a torque-biased engine have allowed the renault to maintain their startline advantage

The Renault is supposed to pull from about 2500rpm where others don't give anything below 5000rpm. The gearbox is heavier and the drivesharfts are fatter all helping to get that extra weight over the rear wheels and giving the Renault a distinct advantage in this age of 2nd gear bends.

Nup, I dont trust em. If the weight bias to the rear is that heavy that it gives them such a pronounced advantage off the grid, they would be in such an oversteer configuration they would 4 wheel drift into the armco by lap 3 in Alonso's case,and Fisi would win hands down, til lap7,...........he is one of the few guys that actually enjoys oversteer, in moderation, think back to a wet race and one of the most challenging corners/bends in Eff1

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:Jim, there is no such thing as launch control any more!

I think traction control kicks at some stage after the start but the start is a manual process. So it is a combination of a quick reaction, a good clucth, good Michelins and other sleeping drivers.

Kimi can't close the door Jim cause Alonso will start from Pole

Yes, it is a manual process, in as much as the driver has to press the button which says "start", after cycling thru the other buttons on the warm up lap How many cars "bag up" and leave 30 metre black telltales on the grid. The starts are governed by the individual programs in the chip. They will run "launch control" where the team with the best program/chip wins the start,
and it will be ever so until the drivers have only a clutch pedal, and a control ECU for each car. We went thru this rubbish with V8 supercars for a whole season. A certain team would spend the entire practice and Qual sessions concentrating on race set up safe in the knowledge they could come from the third row to first into turn 1,...til a photo journo took photos of the grid. that teams cars left a metre of rubber, a space of a few centimetres,10 centremetres of rubber.......then nothing.
To read your posts Alonso, "The Bullfighter", is the only driver with reflexes.....Lordy how do the others manage to stay on the track ?????


Yeah, I am having a bad hair day........but Geez JV, you are a champ...get a grip

As far as I am aware there is no launch control, I don't know where you are coming up with this stuff. Perhaps this was the case when there was launch control. What is the hand clutch used for then ?
In any case, don't compare F1 to V8 please. F1 is way above any other motosport in their application of technology.

Alonso has great reflexes but he isn't the only driver. There are a few drivers who usually have good starts regardless of the car and JV another one of those.

Everyone who has driven the Renault in recent years has made exceptional starts, it is not question of reactions that could only acount for .001 of second. That would not be a significant advantage IMHO.

Snowy wrote:Everyone who has driven the Renault in recent years has made exceptional starts, it is not question of reactions that could only acount for .001 of second. That would not be a significant advantage IMHO.

yup

JayVee wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

JayVee wrote:Jim, there is no such thing as launch control any more!

I think traction control kicks at some stage after the start but the start is a manual process. So it is a combination of a quick reaction, a good clucth, good Michelins and other sleeping drivers.

Kimi can't close the door Jim cause Alonso will start from Pole

Yes, it is a manual process, in as much as the driver has to press the button which says "start", after cycling thru the other buttons on the warm up lap How many cars "bag up" and leave 30 metre black telltales on the grid. The starts are governed by the individual programs in the chip. They will run "launch control" where the team with the best program/chip wins the start,
and it will be ever so until the drivers have only a clutch pedal, and a control ECU for each car. We went thru this rubbish with V8 supercars for a whole season. A certain team would spend the entire practice and Qual sessions concentrating on race set up safe in the knowledge they could come from the third row to first into turn 1,...til a photo journo took photos of the grid. that teams cars left a metre of rubber, a space of a few centimetres,10 centremetres of rubber.......then nothing.
To read your posts Alonso, "The Bullfighter", is the only driver with reflexes.....Lordy how do the others manage to stay on the track ?????


Yeah, I am having a bad hair day........but Geez JV, you are a champ...get a grip

As far as I am aware there is no launch control, I don't know where you are coming up with this stuff. Perhaps this was the case when there was launch control. What is the hand clutch used for then ?
In any case, don't compare F1 to V8 please. F1 is way above any other motosport in their application of technology.

Alonso has great reflexes but he isn't the only driver. There are a few drivers who usually have good starts regardless of the car and JV another one of those.

Apart from the antiquated control engines ( which are coming to F1 sooner than you think) rest assured that there is little difference in the technology. I assure you that Mfer will have steam coming out of every orifice when he reads your post. ( Which would be a magnificent sight to behold)
As a matter of interest JV, a v8 supercar engine rev limited to 7500rpm is producing a similar BHP figure to F1 engines. Do not crap on a formula til you know all about it.

Julian Mayo wrote: Apart from the antiquated control engines ( which are coming to F1 sooner than you think) rest assured that there is little difference in the technology. I assure you that Mfer will have steam coming out of every orifice when he reads your post. ( Which would be a magnificent sight to behold)
As a matter of interest JV, a v8 supercar engine rev limited to 7500rpm is producing a similar BHP figure to F1 engines. Do not crap on a formula til you know all about it.

In some other post you told me not to lower myself to your level, I don't

You may be passionate about V8, some may be passionate about GP2, others about Karts and so on and that I understand and respect but I am not in any way belittling any form of motorsport. Some may think V8 is more exciting, some may think GP2 has more overtaking, I respect that too. What I am simply stating is that when it comes to technology, nothing (and I'll say it again) nothing comes close to Formula 1. Be it engines, gearboxes, aerodynamics, even tyres.

If you think otherwise, go create a new topic and see what other people think about the level of technology in F1 compared to other motorsports

And please don't go speak for others, if they disagree with what I said, I am sure they'll reply and I will respectfully respond to what they say.

Snowy wrote:The Renault is specifically designed to be very strong accelerating out of slow corners, with its weight being moved toward the back end. Other teams have not gone down this road perhaps because of tyre wear issues or just not fitting with other design philosophies.

This is correct. If you have every owned a Renault road car, the power is legendary. Renault has risen to take the WC everytime it has entered Formula 1.

Launch control cannot excuse spins and sundry other mistakes by the other drivers.

This just in...that kid Alonso...is really that good!!!


Chris

Yeah, my first car was a R4 F6 and I can confirm that no way RENAULT is using a launch control in F1 this year.

Seriously, the start in Melbourne looked ordinary, so maybe they removed it under pressure....