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Julian Mayo wrote:

cmlean wrote:You wouldn't be infering that there would be lateral 'G's in a race car. What a novel concept.

Is that like when my passenger goes hurtling out the door of "Therapy" on sweeping right handers ?

You got it on the first try

Please apply for the position of commentator for CBS Sports, they are ruining F1 faster than the Bernie Max duo!

Julian Mayo wrote:

cmlean wrote:You wouldn't be infering that there would be lateral 'G's in a race car. What a novel concept.

Is that like when my passenger goes hurtling out the door of "Therapy" on sweeping right handers ?

They will never feel lateral G's while you keep opening the door.

GhoGho wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

cmlean wrote:You wouldn't be infering that there would be lateral 'G's in a race car. What a novel concept.

Is that like when my passenger goes hurtling out the door of "Therapy" on sweeping right handers ?

You got it on the first try

Please apply for the position of commentator for CBS Sports, they are ruining F1 faster than the Bernie Max duo!

feel free to forward my resume
As long as I can take my kids n dawgs, Therapy, and they provide 2 cases of Melbourne bitter a week .......(thinks, Wild Turkey procurement shouldn't be a problem there )

cmlean wrote:

Julian Mayo wrote:

cmlean wrote:You wouldn't be infering that there would be lateral 'G's in a race car. What a novel concept.

Is that like when my passenger goes hurtling out the door of "Therapy" on sweeping right handers ?

They will never feel lateral G's while you keep opening the door.

Mate that was a viscious rumour put out by JV......she jumped, still with hands over eyes..........n I wasn't out of 2nd If I could reach the passenger door I wouldn't be a single dad any more

GhoGho wrote:

cmlean wrote:I agree with Julian. Aside from Michael and Kimi fighting over postition after the pace car, the race was just a procession.

The turn 5 apex information on how much faster Alonso was than everyone else was disturbing. 192 km/h v 177 km/h. No wonder the Renault is so dominant.

Agreed, info like that clearly shows how much better the Renault is than the rest.
At this level, that sort of difference cannot be attributed entirely to the driver!

On what are you basing this assumption? Many drivers have various section of certain racetracks where they are leaps and bounds faster than the other drivers. Jacques Villeneuve and Jenson Button are usually two of the fastest drivers through the first 2 sectors at Imola. Their overall laps may not be the fastest however. Mika Hakkinen would be wicked fast through certain sections of certain tracks as is David Coulthard. Ukyo Katayama, Ricardo Zonta and Pedro Lamy could be amazing for half a lap!! [Who??!?] This just in. Fernando Alonso is good. Real good!!!

As for the commenators.................................what can i say, ignorance is bliss.
We as spectators now have to believe that the "G" forces in an F1 car running down the straight "suck the driver down into the cockpit"
What a load of Bollocks

Not to seem like I'm defending the commentators, the brakes on a modern F1 car work so incredibly that after a long straight, the driver does suck down almost a foot, but this is under braking, not because of G-forces, unless the commentator was equating the overall effect of braking to lateral G's. I did not hear the comment, so I'm just speculating.

I don't think anyone is saying Alonso is not good. I have always considered him to be very good. I also think Kimi and one or two others are very good

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They broadcast live free practice 2 + 3 and quali + race

Commentary is Arabic but both post quali. and race driver interviews with no commentary

Enjoy?

RE30B#16 wrote:

GhoGho wrote:

cmlean wrote:I agree with Julian. Aside from Michael and Kimi fighting over postition after the pace car, the race was just a procession.

The turn 5 apex information on how much faster Alonso was than everyone else was disturbing. 192 km/h v 177 km/h. No wonder the Renault is so dominant.

Agreed, info like that clearly shows how much better the Renault is than the rest.
At this level, that sort of difference cannot be attributed entirely to the driver!

On what are you basing this assumption? Many drivers have various section of certain racetracks where they are leaps and bounds faster than the other drivers. Jacques Villeneuve and Jenson Button are usually two of the fastest drivers through the first 2 sectors at Imola. Their overall laps may not be the fastest however. Mika Hakkinen would be wicked fast through certain sections of certain tracks as is David Coulthard. Ukyo Katayama, Ricardo Zonta and Pedro Lamy could be amazing for half a lap!! [Who??!?] This just in. Fernando Alonso is good. Real good!!!

I am not saying that FA is not good, he is! He is also still improving, very quickly I might add. (lucky McLarren!) Confidence will do that for most drivers who keep winning.
I agree that certain cars will have an advantage over others on the different sectors, but on turn 5 where Aerodynamic grip is so important the Renault was way superior to any other car. Good job Renault.
Pit radio to GF (who has been signed to stay for next season BTW) indicated that the Renaults top speed was 5km/h faster than the McLarren so they also appear to be in good shape as far as top end goes. Good job Renault.
This cornering ability combined with the good top end would indicate that the Renault is, at the moment, the most aerodynamicaly effective car, and why they are so dominant. Good job Renault.
Renault are pretty obviously the car to beat. (their record this season would also seem to bear this out)
FA is obviously the driver to beat, his points tally would back that up!

Lets hope the others can catch up so we can have some really good racing!

RE30B#16 wrote:

As for the commenators.................................what can i say, ignorance is bliss.
We as spectators now have to believe that the "G" forces in an F1 car running down the straight "suck the driver down into the cockpit"
What a load of Bollocks

Not to seem like I'm defending the commentators, the brakes on a modern F1 car work so incredibly that after a long straight, the driver does suck down almost a foot, but this is under braking, not because of G-forces, unless the commentator was equating the overall effect of braking to lateral G's. I did not hear the comment, so I'm just speculating.

The comment was said as MS drove along the straight and seemed to be ducking his head down a bit. (as drivers sometimes do to try force more air into the intake).
If a driver can move almost a foot under braking, then:
1. His seat fitting went very badly
2. He has a rubber neck and Spine
3. He belongs to the group more commonly known as ?Tortoises?

In a modern F1 car there is hardly room to pick ones nose or scratch your?nutthings.
Before the seat and leg and foot supports are fitted together with the additional padding to restrict movement, this is what the cockpit looks like.




This is what the seat looks like from underneath, pretty small, not much room for any sort of movement.


If a driver could move more than an inch or two he would have to be a contortionist!
If he was allowed to move due to bad seat etc, then he would not be able to drive properly!

If a commentator is going to be technical he should make sure he understands what he is talking about first.
I hope Speed cover the rest of the races because Sheheen and Daly suck, as does the CBS coverage.

excellent pics, thanks

Nice pictures Gho Gho!!

On the race,3 good moments for me rest was boring..

Alonso & kimi on restart - Kimi came very close but Alonso defended well..& then he was gone..

Kimi & Michael - Michael came close to overtake him on track & i was worried that they would crash(some ppl would have already started thinking wht to write on this forum against Michael ) but he eventually got him after pitstop #2. I doubt Michael would have been able to catch Alonso even if he would have come out ahead of kimi after pitstop-1..The Renault was just too quick.

Jenson's Honda BBQ - Long awaited for this BBQ,but sad to see this happening at his home race.

Rest were ordinary.

Was suprised that Fisi couldnt overtake Kimi(the pit radio reminded him of Suzuka last year to motivate him to push harder,but..)

Julian Mayo wrote:excellent pics, thanks

Nice pick & picture GhoGho,
The driver may have no room to move a foot but he may have a inch, just to not cut his breath as he tied strongly to 5 point seat belt,
when TV provide us with G-force statues during race for any driver, it have four arms (Acc. + Braking+ Right + left ) so braking is definitely the G-force ( x times your weight ) that push your body foreword under braking, so no way the driver move a fraction during braking or acc.. But drivers tend to bind their head toward the curves line just to reduce G-force effect that generate during right or left handed curves.
So a foot is long distance and also a long maybe for a road car when you brake hard the seat belt will catch you before moving a foot.

A strange Thread, indeed. It appears that people actually get more excited when it's a Red parade than they do when it's a Blue one!

At least the hated Scuderia incites emotion when they dominate. As they still do, even when they merely race well. Michael's drive, for instance, at Silverstone, had it been turn for turn and lap for lap Identical, only turned in by Webber or Rossberg in the Williams or even Jenson Button in the Honda, would have generated an immense tide of commentary and exhaltation. This thread would have been alive with "I told you so's" and predictions of a New WDC toute suite.

As it is, because second place is taken by SEVEN TIME WDC Michael Schumacher, everyone yawns and says, "Ho Hum. Of course evil Michael, driving for Ferrari --which is especially favored by the FIA and the Gods themselves-- is merely up to his usual nasty tricks, finding yet another way to steal championship points. Probably Fisi was napping and Michael stole is fifth gear or something. He couldn't POSSIBLY have driven a good race."

However, thank the racing Gods, this is the real world of F1, where drivers in clearly inferior cars (like Kimi and Michael) still manage to score points whereas their team-mates find excuses.

Let's try a thought experiment: since Fisi was driving a Renault at Silverstone and since it is evidently revealed truth that the Renault team do not play favorites, his machine was as well prepared as Fernando's. Now suppose the driver of that second Renault had been Kimi Raikkonen, or Michael Schumacher. Do you believe the results would have been the same? Or Michael? Heck, I think even Nico would have made the podium and I'm certain Mark Webber would have as well.

As I said, Ferrari inspires strong feeling whether they are in the championship race or not, Renault, however, except I guess for me, is generally well-liked so even when they win in a walk not only does no one object, no one even gets very excited.

This is too bad because Fernando, obviously, is a brilliant driver and even when he does everything perfectly, as in the past couple of races, much of his success is attributed to his machine. All kinds of excuses are made for Fisi, (and I for one, am beginning to get tired of them. For a long time I was one of the ones who said when Fisi got in a good car it would be goodbye Michael and hello WDC!)

Still, because he's at Renault, not Ferrari, no one claims that he suffers (as Rubens did) from "team orders" or some other malevolent force from the dark side.

I can't believe either Ferrrari, or McLaren, or Renault, or Williams (like Roger Penske in the IRL) ever presents less than the two best cars they can to their drivers. And so part of the thrill for me in the race is comparing the team mates' outcomes.

When this means, as it has for Juan Pablo, that a driver I liked is clearly out-classed, I believe managers (at least those who are competent) up and down the pit lane take notice. Consequently, I expect to see Nico --if not Webber, as well-- in a competitive car next year. This car may be the Williams with Lexus (or Toyota) engines, [wouldn't it be great to see the Williams slide reversed?] but I am secretly hoping Ron Dennis will find a way to put Nico next to Fernando in the Black and Silver Macs!

If Kimi ends up at Renault next year, I hope Michael does too! And I also hope, if Michael stays that he does his valedictory season with Kimi as a team mate; I believe we'd see some great racing, no matter what the WDC outcome is! If it happens, I expect to see a bloody fight for points between the two that will hark back to the days of Prost & Senna.

I know that many believe Michael will not sign if he has real competition and I hope they are wrong. Clearly he will NOT win (or even contest) the WDC this year; his best move, then, would be to pair (somehow!) with Kimi next year and go out in style. I don't see how he COULD pair with Fernando, though...

Alas, probably Jean Todt doesn't have the cojones to confront Michael and demand that he accept a competitive mate. Ron Dennis and Frank Wiklliams I admire precisely because they DO!

I have left out Flavio. On purpose. I am, after all, as afflicted with prejudice as any F1 fan.

My biggest disappointment this year: Honda.

I hope Toyota gets out of F1; they could sell the team to David Richards or Eddie Irvine (or even Eddie Jordan) and maybe we'd see some results from them. But I fear they have inherited the Ford / Jaguar curse.

Isn't there another race coming up soon? In Canada? Let's hope it's a barn burner

Jim Watt

After his last classless act, I simply try to ignore the fellow in the red car, Jim.