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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:10 pm
by Julian Mayo
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:12 pm
by Julian Mayo
rah wrote:I reckon having MS and Kimi both in equal cars would be a cracker of a season. It is a nice rumour going around too. Shame it probably wont happen.
Things have gone very quiet about MW and RedBull..........

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:46 pm
by JayVee
Jim Watt wrote:O.K. Mates. I'll take the Melbourne Bitter, but the Fosters? No thanks. Someone already warned me about those way back at the first U.S.G.P. -- apparently the Aussies EXPORT them the same way the Scots export the Scotch they DON'T drink! I remember trying one to see if they were as bad as adverted. They were.
As to emoticons to describe this year's F1 season:

I'm a little disappointed. After all, the Red Car Parade has been handily interrupted. Alonzo the Cute has (almost) wrapped up his second consecutive WDC --what more could you ask?
Admitedly, Ron Dennis and Sir Frank Williams have both wandered far into the wilderness
When I looked at the Manufacturer's Points the other day, I was astonished to see how far Williams had sunk!!
But come on, isn't there more than poetic justice in Jensen's fate with the Honda Wallahs? Isn't it true that Rubens has put paid to rumors of the British lad's greatness and potential?
And who can feel bad about Jarno Trulli's demonstrating to the wooden headed Toyota chiefs the terrific waste of millions of Yen to support Ralphie's crying habits?
Here's my humble (there's that strangely inappropriate word again) suggestion for 8 ways --in the points-- of fixing things:
1. convince Michael to race next year partnered with Kimi (and no team orders)
2. match Fernando at McLaren with Mark Webber -- and send Ron Dennis some re-badged Renault engines (he can call them Mercs or he can call them Jerks; just so they can move his chassis at race speed!)
3. send Nico Rosberg to race with Fisi at Renault
4. match Ralphie with Takuma at Super Aguri
5. move Felipe to Toyota to race with Jarno Trulli
6. Find Frank Williams a supply of Renault engines and send him Davy Coulthard and Ant. Davidson to drive his cars
7. slap Jensen Button a ten year, no escape, sentence with Honda; partner him with Juan Pablo Montoya
8. put Scott Speed and Heikki Kovalainen behind the wheels of the brand new Red Bulls (powered by Toyota blocks?)
Or. You could just get VERY Rad and ban front and rear wings. Period. then you might see more overtaking via the sling shot effect on long straights.
Anyway, I AM GOING to PICK the blue cars to sweep at Magny Cours. so all you F.A. fans are properly warned.
Jim Watt


Jim
You should be happy with a red 1-2. Sadly though, like last year, this will be the only 1-2 for them this season
Clearly the Bridgestones were superior but that was because Michelin were conservative. In France the Bridgestone runners would have no chance.
I like your points but I would rather not see Michael next year, F1 has had enough of him and his tactics.
My preferred lineup would be:
Alonso Raikkonen @ McLaren
Fisichella Kovalainen @ Renault
Coulthard Massa @ Ferrari
Barrichello Davidson @ Honda
Trulli Montoya @ Toyota
Villeneuve Heidfeld @ BMW
Webber Liuzzi @ Red Bull
Sato Ralf @ Super Aguri (I like that one Jim

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Anyone moving from across the pond ? Last year there was a lot of talk, this year we haven't heard anything ?
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:44 pm
by RE30B#16
Jim Watt wrote:Admitedly, Ron Dennis and Sir Frank Williams have both wandered far into the wilderness
When I looked at the Manufacturer's Points the other day, I was astonished to see how far Williams had sunk!!
Ya know, Jim, Williams has been sliding ever since they refused to name Adrian Newey Technical Director [obsolete Patrick "Big" Head has his nails so firmly dug into that title mainly because Sir Frank refuses to name him as a co-owner or co-leader]. The sacking of Damon Hill did not help. Hill was a great tester and managed to get three teams to raise their games before he retired. Williams then squandered the talents of Jacques Villeneuve, Heinz-Harold Frentzen, Alex Zanardi, Juan-Pablo Montoya, Marc Gene, Nick Heidfeld, Jenson Button and now Mark Webber [who I believe should bolt to Renault if Kimi Raikkonen doesn't sign with them for 2007].
Now Ron Dennis has let the golden goose get away from him [perhaps mainly because Norbert Haug and that turkey of an engine by Mercedes]. There are rumours floating around that Renault will be supplying customer engines to another team next year, and that that team is Red Bull. If this turns out to be true, look for the Red Bull cars to suddenly be a frontline team challenging for wins. Why else would JPM be talking to them so hard? I, on the other hand, believe Alonso is coming with the engine to McLaren. This will probably be the only scenario that will allow them to retain Raikkonen whom I don't see returning to Woking next year otherwise.
I believe Ron Dennis will land on his feet quicker because he is more loyal to his drivers. He doesn't seem to be as arrogant as Sir Frank and Co. Williams has so many issues and hangups, I can see the team being bought out by let's say Toyota within the next three years.
Oooh, I just thought of something. There is a rumour that Volkswagen wants to get into a major racing series. What if Audi bought Williams and bolted the LeMans winning engine in the back of the Williams. Very interesting...BUT SHTUPID!!
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:01 pm
by jacfan
RE30B#16 wrote:Jim Watt wrote:Admitedly, Ron Dennis and Sir Frank Williams have both wandered far into the wilderness
When I looked at the Manufacturer's Points the other day, I was astonished to see how far Williams had sunk!!
Ya know, Jim, Williams has been sliding ever since they refused to name Adrian Newey Technical Director [obsolete Patrick "Big" Head has his nails so firmly dug into that title mainly because Sir Frank refuses to name him as a co-owner or co-leader]. The sacking of Damon Hill did not help. Hill was a great tester and managed to get three teams to raise their games before he retired. Williams then squandered the talents of Jacques Villeneuve, Heinz-Harold Frentzen, Alex Zanardi, Juan-Pablo Montoya, Marc Gene, Nick Heidfeld, Jenson Button and now Mark Webber [who I believe should bolt to Renault if Kimi Raikkonen doesn't sign with them for 2007].
Now Ron Dennis has let the golden goose get away from him [perhaps mainly because Norbert Haug and that turkey of an engine by Mercedes]. There are rumours floating around that Renault will be supplying customer engines to another team next year, and that that team is Red Bull. If this turns out to be true, look for the Red Bull cars to suddenly be a frontline team challenging for wins. Why else would JPM be talking to them so hard? I, on the other hand, believe Alonso is coming with the engine to McLaren. This will probably be the only scenario that will allow them to retain Raikkonen whom I don't see returning to Woking next year otherwise.
I believe Ron Dennis will land on his feet quicker because he is more loyal to his drivers. He doesn't seem to be as arrogant as Sir Frank and Co. Williams has so many issues and hangups, I can see the team being bought out by let's say Toyota within the next three years.
Oooh, I just thought of something. There is a rumour that Volkswagen wants to get into a major racing series. What if Audi bought Williams and bolted the LeMans winning engine in the back of the Williams. Very interesting...BUT SHTUPID!!
Yes Williams have squandered many good drivers . They don't appear to value the talent that they have on their team and then consequently lose them. I have also heard that VW wanted in but not sure that it will happen.
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:37 pm
by Julian Mayo
With the new Tech regs coming in to play, expect to see the engine mnfctrs, eg, Toyota, Renault et al., knocking on the doors of RedBull etc, or lose a lot of expertise to the Aeronautical, yachting etc industries

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:50 pm
by rah
Vee dub may get into F1, but it will probably be in a couple of years supplying engines to Red Bull. They have strong links in other series. Vee dub wont get in for a couple of years as they have just retrenched a couple thousand workers to turn the company around.
Me thinks that next year Red bull / Torro Rosso will be Ferrari/Cosworth (not in that order). They are just stirring things up to get a better deal out of Ferrari. Red Bull are in a two year contract with Ferrari and they still have next year to go.
Who knows what Renault will do. I rekon they will be selling engines and old chassis to Pro-Drive next year.
Also of interest is a possible merger of Renault and GM. This could benefit both brands a lot and we could see the Renault car turned into a Chevy, Pontiac or Cadi for the US races. You can't tell me that wouldn't apeal to the septics.
Webber wont go anywhere. He still ahs to prove himself to step up to a better drive and he hasn't had the chance. Who knows how Williams will go next year. There is something not right with the team and if it is not fixe they will continue to slump.
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:08 pm
by Julian Mayo
The mail is that Red Bull can step out of the ferrari contract any time they like as the engines Ferrari supply them are any where from 50 -500 revs down every time, compared to the units in the Ferrari cars.
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:05 pm
by cmlean
Is that why they (the Ferrari engines) don't seem to go 'bang' in a race?
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:37 pm
by mlittle
JayVee wrote:Anyone moving from across the pond? Last year there was alot of talk, this year we haven't heard anything?
With most of the talk in NA motorsports centering around all the merger talks btwn. ChampCar and the IRL this year, everyone's biding their time. The one name, though, that everyone keeps mentioning as to possibly being in the hunt for an F1 ride in 2007 from NA is the current ChampCar series champion, Sebastien Bourdais. He's won two consecutive titles(2004, 2005) and has made some noise about wanting to try for a seat in F1 next year, especially if he can win an unprecedented third cons. title(and that hasn't occurred here since 1948!). Other than him, it has been awfully quiet over here in regards to anyone in NA motorsports throwing their name into the F1 arena.
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:29 pm
by JayVee
mlittle wrote:JayVee wrote:Anyone moving from across the pond? Last year there was alot of talk, this year we haven't heard anything?
With most of the talk in NA motorsports centering around all the merger talks btwn. ChampCar and the IRL this year, everyone's biding their time. The one name, though, that everyone keeps mentioning as to possibly being in the hunt for an F1 ride in 2007 from NA is the current ChampCar series champion, Sebastien Bourdais. He's won two consecutive titles(2004, 2005) and has made some noise about wanting to try for a seat in F1 next year, especially if he can win an unprecedented third cons. title(and that hasn't occurred here since 1948!). Other than him, it has been awfully quiet over here in regards to anyone in NA motorsports throwing their name into the F1 arena.
Thanks mliitle,
How is Danica doing these days ? How is Katherine going ?
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:10 pm
by RE30B#16
mlittle wrote:JayVee wrote:Anyone moving from across the pond? Last year there was alot of talk, this year we haven't heard anything?
With most of the talk in NA motorsports centering around all the merger talks btwn. ChampCar and the IRL this year, everyone's biding their time. The one name, though, that everyone keeps mentioning as to possibly being in the hunt for an F1 ride in 2007 from NA is the current ChampCar series champion, Sebastien Bourdais. He's won two consecutive titles(2004, 2005) and has made some noise about wanting to try for a seat in F1 next year, especially if he can win an unprecedented third cons. title(and that hasn't occurred here since 1948!). Other than him, it has been awfully quiet over here in regards to anyone in NA motorsports throwing their name into the F1 arena.
Aaah, yes! We need a good Frenchman in Formula 1!

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:16 pm
by RE30B#16
rah wrote:Webber wont go anywhere. He still ahs to prove himself to step up to a better drive and he hasn't had the chance. Who knows how Williams will go next year. There is something not right with the team and if it is not fixe they will continue to slump.
You are absolutely right!! Maybe, Williams will have Toyota power next year. Webber probably could go after a ride at Toyota for next year, but who knows how good that team will be? Last year, they were telegraphing that they would be knocking on the door of winning a few races today.
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:46 pm
by Julian Mayo
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:50 am
by mlittle
JayVee wrote:mlittle wrote:JayVee wrote:Anyone moving from across the pond? Last year there was alot of talk, this year we haven't heard anything?
With most of the talk in NA motorsports centering around all the merger talks btwn. ChampCar and the IRL this year, everyone's biding their time. The one name, though, that everyone keeps mentioning as to possibly being in the hunt for an F1 ride in 2007 from NA is the current ChampCar series champion, Sebastien Bourdais. He's won two consecutive titles(2004, 2005) and has made some noise about wanting to try for a seat in F1 next year, especially if he can win an unprecedented third cons. title(and that hasn't occurred here since 1948!). Other than him, it has been awfully quiet over here in regards to anyone in NA motorsports throwing their name into the F1 arena.
Thanks mliitle,
How is Danica doing these days ? How is Katherine going ?
2-part posting, JayVee....
~~The seemingly jinxed season Rahal-Letterman Racing had at times last year's returned, with everything that has happened to them this year, starting back at Homestead. Ironically, while Patrick's struggled on the ovals more this year, she's actually done a lot better on the non-ovals than she did last year.
Results}Homestead-16th(DNS), St. Pete-6th, Motegi-8th, Indy-8th(top Panoz driver), Watkins Glen-8th, Texas-12th(first race using Dallara chassis), Richmond-15th and Kansas-11th; currently 12th in points
~~Katherine's had a pretty interesting rookie campaign; with three top-10's and is currently 13th in points(2nd in the rookie stdgs., just behind Dan Clarke). Surprisingly, her best result was on the 1-mile oval in Milwaukee, where she led 12 laps and finished 6th.
Results}Long Beach-8th, Houston-14th, Monterrey-14th, Milwaukee-6th(higest finishing rookie), Portland-13th, Cleveland-8th; currently 13th in points(2nd in rookie stdgs.)
Hope this answers your question, JayVee.