Somehow i find this difficult to believe.

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:23 am

I'm not one to judge, but i find this tricky to believe...

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33878

And this I am glad to hear

:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33863

rah · Post by **rah** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:09 am

Are they following team orders to be team players?

Nice to see those times. It's always good to see Williams back up there. Although he was over a second slower than monty.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:30 am

Having heard the radio message, I tend to agree with Flavio's statement. The fact that their radio transmissions are "open" lends weight to that

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:39 pm

julian mayo wrote:Having heard the radio message, I tend to agree with Flavio's statement. The fact that their radio transmissions are "open" lends weight to that

But to me, all the drivers want to win, and are not going to just let themselves get passed, even if it means they are being "team players"....

Dont the teams have no say in what radio messages get transmitted, i always thought it was the director.....

rah wrote:Are they following team orders to be team players?

to me it looks like they are following team orders and disguising it by calling them "team players"

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:48 pm

<T-K> wrote: to me it looks like they are following team orders and disguising it by calling them "team players"

U got it rgt T-K!!!
But some ppl would beg to differ or would turn their faces the other way..or to say the Ferrari cheating way!!!

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:12 pm

Kapel wrote:
<T-K> wrote: to me it looks like they are following team orders and disguising it by calling them "team players"
U got it rgt T-K!!!
But some ppl would beg to differ or would turn their faces the other way..or to say the Ferrari cheating way!!!

I'm sure if JV pokes her head in here she will beg to differ...

maybe you should open a thread entitled "Renault are cheating and disguising it as something else"..........or is that a bit long

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:18 pm

Hmm...Nah..would want to start another controversial thread

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:32 pm

Kapel wrote:Hmm...Nah..would want to start another controversial thread

Dont you mean "controversial"

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:39 pm

<T-K> wrote:
Kapel wrote:Hmm...Nah..would want to start another controversial thread
Dont you mean "controversial"

Yes

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:48 pm

Kapel wrote:
<T-K> wrote:
Kapel wrote:Hmm...Nah..would want to start another controversial thread
Dont you mean "controversial"
Yes

Just as I thought...

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:09 pm

Somehow I find it hard to believe that people completely ignored the fact the Raikkonen was allowed to pass Montoya in Hungary on the first lap. Hungary where it is impossible to overtake.

Oh I see, you didn't see it on camera and didn't hear it on their radio.

So you saw nothing and heard nothing. It must have been a superb move by Raikkonen

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:22 pm

JayVee wrote:Somehow I find it hard to believe that people completely ignored the fact the Raikkonen was allowed to pass Montoya in Hungary on the first lap. Hungary where it is impossible to overtake.

Oh I see, you didn't see it on camera and didn't hear it on their radio.

So you saw nothing and heard nothing. It must have been a superb move by Raikkonen

I saw this coming...

hey...at least Mclaren did a good job of hiding it (or whatever it is yr accusing them of)...

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:44 pm

I am simply pointing to a very similar incident that many chose to ignore.

Perhaps many are just jealous of both Alonso for becoming the youngest ever champion (will become I know!!) and for the amazing success of Renault who could win the Constructors championship in only their 4th year since their return.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:23 am

JayVee wrote:I am simply pointing to a very similar incident that many chose to ignore.

Perhaps many are just jealous of both Alonso for becoming the youngest ever champion (will become I know!!) and for the amazing success of Renault who could win the Constructors championship in only their 4th year since their return.

hhmmm, both of you take 2 aspro and dont call me in the morning

rah · Post by **rah** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:02 am

JayVee wrote:Somehow I find it hard to believe that people completely ignored the fact the Raikkonen was allowed to pass Montoya in Hungary on the first lap. Hungary where it is impossible to overtake.

Oh I see, you didn't see it on camera and didn't hear it on their radio.

So you saw nothing and heard nothing. It must have been a superb move by Raikkonen

I agree. But are you now saying that McLaren do use team orders?