Hungary Preview - The Heretic

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:00 pm

How robust does the McLaren have to be ? - The Heretic Previews the Hungarian GP. Read the article here.
Then post your comments on the article in this thread.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:41 am

I agrre with your comments on "car-breaker Kimi" and McClaren. and would add that, imho, McClaren, from the days when Bruce was running the team, have traditionally favoured the "all out"approach.I feel that if it is a choice between choosing to use technology that may be safer in terms of reliability, or going for an edge,eg knocking off a few revs for safety or going all out, they will always choose the latter.

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:18 pm

Assuming the engines are rev limited, there is no way a driver can be any harder on an engine than the teams rev limit allows. Bouncing the cars on curbs, especially if he bounces the belly on them, could cause some problems I guess, but I still just think he's unlucky.

From a team boss's point of view, I'd like to see a driver have the odd moment that he recovers from - it means he's trying. You can only be smooth when you can afford to be. Race ending stuff is obviously no good however.

keefster · Post by **keefster** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:29 pm

Heretic is on the money.
It reminds me of Prost/Senna and Prost/Mansell. Prost was smoother and may have used fewer revs for similar or better lap times. Rossberg was also notoriously hard on tyres. I do recall Montoya chewing up a lot of BMW engines at Williams, although I suspect they eventually developed a "Montoya proof" engine.

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:03 am

So what is the point here - that the driver has controll of the rev limit or that there is no rev limiter? Ignoring orders from the team aside, how can a driver be hard on an engine?

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:28 pm

The closer you get to the limit the harder it gets for the car. KIMI is a fantastic driver, he is always at the limit and his car gets that feeling...

I would compare his skill and style to AYRTON and MIKA whereas JUAN drives more like NIGEL. Based on that there would be a similar number of retirements from both MCLAREN drivers but for different reasons(IMO mostly a reliability issue purely down to the material like JUAN last Sunday).

MICHAEL has more ALAIN in him and from the top drivers he will probably stay the most reliable car saver for some time to come.

FERNANDO is a bit on the erratic side when things are not going his way, strange to see him accuse Ralf for his nose-off last Sunday. He will be WDC this year nevertheless and might show more patiency in the future.

The race showed MCLAREN to be on supreme speed. On total FERRARI are moving up, all depends on BRIDGESTONE...

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:44 pm

F1greyhound wrote: FERNANDO is a bit on the erratic side when things are not going his way, strange to see him accuse Ralf for his nose-off last Sunday. He will be WDC this year nevertheless and might show more patiency in the future.

Alonso just turned 24, you don't expect him to behave like a 34 yo!

As for blaming, if you look at the onboard shot of Alonso you see how Ralf squeezes Alonso giving him no place to go. Ralf later admitted he didn't see Alonso and apologised

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:02 pm

RALF said he didnt see him which is credible and he said he feels sorry for FERNANDO and thats fair enough.

However he didnt and also couldnt admit it was his fault...RALF was the one having nowhere to go entering the bend right between JARNO and the off-course FERNANDO coming form behind up his inside.

No big deal anyway.

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:43 pm

Not taking sides, but remember Ralf's start to Hockenheim a few years back?

Webber want's the Toyota rear end!