France Preview - The Heretic

[Ed]

That was silly! - The Heretic looks at the FIA ruling and previews the French GP. Read the article here.
Then post your comments on the article in this thread.

[Byron Forbes]

That was silly! - The Heretic looks at the FIA ruling and previews the French GP. Read the article here.
Then post your comments on the article in this thread.

Any perspective that sees the FIA are substantially to blame, and not pointing the finger soley at Michelin, is a very welcome change of pace for me.

I am a little surprised ay Michelin's seeming lack of enthusiasm in defending themselves however. They have gone someway to pointing the finger back at the FIA, but I am surprised they have seemingly decided to take on the task of monetary compensation alone. A statement like "we'll pay 1 or 2 dollars for every dollar the FIA puts up" would have been better and fairer I'd have thought.

And now we have the disgusting further abuse and waste of power on the part of the FIA using the suspended penalty to hold Michelin to ransom and wield a big stick over the teams in the meantime as well.

Each time the FIA have spoken or acted since this situation occured, it has been evident in my view that the good of the sport is not nearly as important to them as their own power and right to be lazy and incompetent. I think the FIA needs the cleaners put thru it.

[K-D]

France will see R?ikk?nnen, Alonso and Michael Schumacher battle for the win, we should expect this for the rest of the season. Montoya, Fisichella and Barrichello are highly paid, very straong second drivers, and will each do what they can for their teamleader to win the races.

McLaren is bringing their new ?ber-engine to France, but have only brought one for R?kk?nnen, allegedly the engine will give 0,3 seconds per lap. This could be PR speak, we will see. Renault have an upgrade in the wings, which we will sometime during July, and Ferrari and Bridegstone will continue to claw back at Michelin.

Ferrari are close enough in the WDC and WCC championships, that they can entertain the idea that they can win both, and I think that they will continue to concentrate on developing the F2005 until thay have won a race on merit, with both Alonso and R?ikk?nnen being beaten.

[K-D]

Can we kepe this thread at the French GP, and take the FIA bashing to the relevant thread??

[Byron Forbes]

Can we kepe this thread at the French GP, and take the FIA bashing to the relevant thread??

Did you read the Heretic's preview? The IMS issue was ther first part of it!

[Ed]

Can we kepe this thread at the French GP, and take the FIA bashing to the relevant thread??

K-D, this thread is to discuss the Heretic's article.

The main French GP thread is here.

I know, it could be a bit confusing

[K-D]

In which case I think that the Heretic should have previewed the Grand Prix, and added comments to the USGP farce in the number of threads that are alerady dealing with it.

[Ed]

Understood however I should point out that this thread format replaces the old format by which readers used to respond to the Heretic's articles before these forums were established. And so it becomes independent of the other threads running here.

As for what the Heretic should or shouldn't have, I'll leave that up to him to respond

[K-D]

[quote="Ed"]Understood however I should point out that this thread format replaces the old format by which readers used to respond to the Heretic's articles before these forums were established. And so it becomes independent of the other threads running here. - I sort of understand, but the "X" Grand Prix thread becomes to big an cumbersomw, since it is the same one you use for the running commentary of the various practise sessions, qualifying and the race it self. Normally they run about 30 pages, and I find it very difficult to keep track on what is going on, since and additional 3, 5, 8 pages can have been added between visits. With all due respcet, then reading through 4 pages worth of Ed commenting a practise session, is not very high on my preferred reading. And the occasional sage, sound or even controversial comments on "X" Grand Prix gets lost in the shuffle. So I expected the Heretic thread to be the one we discuss "X" Grand Prix, The Heretic have thrown us marbles of his mind, and we can agree or disagree, and make general comments on "X" Grand Prix.

We already have 5 diffeernt threads dealing with the USGP, and the USGP being the USGP no matter what you think of blame, responsability and mental capacity, of those making and taking descisions during the USGP I can see zero reason, for the French Granp Prix, to be yet another discussion of blame, responsability and mental capacity, of those making and taking decissions during the USGP.

There are still to many stickies, and the running commentary should be in seperate threads. A Friday practise and a Saturday practise, a dedicated qualifying thread, and I really do not think you need a Race coverage.

None of the threads should be "stickies" - If they stay on top, people are reading them, if they do not, there is no need to have them at all. Knowing full well that I am repeating myself, a sticky serves no purpose, unless for an announcement by the Moderators, which should stay on for a maximum of 48 hours, after which the stickiness should be taken of, and the thread will fall to the bottom, or stay on top depending on the activity in the thread.
As for what the Heretic should or shouldn't have, I'll leave that up to him to respond - I will await with bated breath.[/quote]

[Ed]

I sort of understand, but the "X" Grand Prix thread becomes to big an cumbersomw, since it is the same one you use for the running commentary of the various practise sessions, qualifying and the race it self. Normally they run about 30 pages, and I find it very difficult to keep track on what is going on, since and additional 3, 5, 8 pages can have been added between visits. With all due respcet, then reading through 4 pages worth of Ed commenting a practise session, is not very high on my preferred reading. And the occasional sage, sound or even controversial comments on "X" Grand Prix gets lost in the shuffle. So I expected the Heretic thread to be the one we discuss "X" Grand Prix, The Heretic have thrown us marbles of his mind, and we can agree or disagree, and make general comments on "X" Grand Prix.

You have a point regarding the "X" Grand Prix Thread becoming too big. We'll look at having a Live commentary thread seperate from the information/discussion thread (just like a separate thread for the TV times, oopps need to put that up!!). We are also looking at other formats for providing the commentary. We are aware that the current format isn't ideal.

However, let me clarify to you, the Heretic thread is not the thread to discuss the "X" Grand Prix, the Heretic thread is to discuss the Heretic's articles when it becomes available. The same applies to the Quali-flyer articles.

We already have 5 diffeernt threads dealing with the USGP, and the USGP being the USGP no matter what you think of blame, responsability and mental capacity, of those making and taking descisions during the USGP I can see zero reason, for the French Granp Prix, to be yet another discussion of blame, responsability and mental capacity, of those making and taking decissions during the USGP.

Totally agree however this thread here is to discuss the Heretic's article. And to be totally honest with you K-D, I wouldn't have expected the Heretic to provide his article on the French Grand Prix without commenting on the results of the hearing.

There are still to many stickies, and the running commentary should be in seperate threads. A Friday practise and a Saturday practise, a dedicated qualifying thread, and I really do not think you need a Race coverage.

As I mentioned above, we'll look at having a separate thread for Live commentary or a different format. Separate commentary threads sounds a bit too much for me and could confuse people on where they should comment.
I don't understand your bit about not needing a race coverage. You may watch the race live but many others don't. Many of our audience find it very useful.

None of the threads should be "stickies" - If they stay on top, people are reading them, if they do not, there is no need to have them at all. Knowing full well that I am repeating myself, a sticky serves no purpose, unless for an announcement by the Moderators, which should stay on for a maximum of 48 hours, after which the stickiness should be taken of, and the thread will fall to the bottom, or stay on top depending on the activity in the thread.

Yes you are repeating yourself here K-D. We had this discussion before and we took your points on board then. We attempt to keep the minimum amount of "sticky" threads necessary.

[Kapel]

Phew!!!