What if it were Bridgestone's tires with problems?

Andre_Brasil · Post by **Andre_Brasil** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:19 am

If the Bridgestones were failing do you think Renault, McLaren, Williams, BAR, Sauber and Red Bull would allow the creation of a chicane?

I doubt it!

The Michelin teams tried to reach a solution that would crearly cause losses to the Bridgestone teams, no matter if Ferrari is envolved or not.

Michelin tires have guaranteed an edge over the Bridgestones since the beginning of the season. That's sports.

Michelin didn't do their homework well to Indianapolis, but they should have recommended their teams to start the race and change all tires by the ones brought from France in lap 2 no matter what FIA would say.

What about the commitment with the paying crowd and the sponsors?

Now Ferrari seems the "bad guy", being attacked by Minardi. If it was the other way around, everybody would be laughing to Ferrari's suggestion to build a new chicane.

Ed · Post by Ed » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:41 am

Reading the statement by the Michelin teams, it seemed they were willing to give up points in order to have a race.

Every possibility for the race to go ahead in a safe manner was explored.
The only practical solution was for a chicane to be installed prior to Turn 13 and
nine of the teams were prepared to run under these conditions even forgoing
championship points or by allowing non-Michelin teams to take top positions on the
grid.

Of course that is their side of the story

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:44 am

Andre_Brasil wrote:If the Bridgestones were failing do you think Renault, McLaren, Williams, BAR, Sauber and Red Bull would allow the creation of a chicane?

I doubt it!

The Michelin teams tried to reach a solution that would crearly cause losses to the Bridgestone teams, no matter if Ferrari is envolved or not.

Michelin tires have guaranteed an edge over the Bridgestones since the beginning of the season. That's sports.

Michelin didn't do their homework well to Indianapolis, but they should have recommended their teams to start the race and change all tires by the ones brought from France in lap 2 no matter what FIA would say.

What about the commitment with the paying crowd and the sponsors?

Now Ferrari seems the "bad guy", being attacked by Minardi. If it was the other way around, everybody would be laughing to Ferrari's suggestion to build a new chicane.

Moseley would have had a chicane installed in 30 minutes flat.

Andre_Brasil · Post by **Andre_Brasil** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:48 pm

julian mayo wrote:
Andre_Brasil wrote:If the Bridgestones were failing do you think Renault, McLaren, Williams, BAR, Sauber and Red Bull would allow the creation of a chicane?

I doubt it!

The Michelin teams tried to reach a solution that would crearly cause losses to the Bridgestone teams, no matter if Ferrari is envolved or not.

Michelin tires have guaranteed an edge over the Bridgestones since the beginning of the season. That's sports.

Michelin didn't do their homework well to Indianapolis, but they should have recommended their teams to start the race and change all tires by the ones brought from France in lap 2 no matter what FIA would say.

What about the commitment with the paying crowd and the sponsors?

Now Ferrari seems the "bad guy", being attacked by Minardi. If it was the other way around, everybody would be laughing to Ferrari's suggestion to build a new chicane.
Moseley would have had a chicane installed in 30 minutes flat.

Sorry, Julian, don't agree... all the latest rules were made to take power FROM Ferrari and not in its favor.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:05 pm

We will have to agree to disagree, then

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:50 pm

The BRIDGESTONE teams would have found even less support or sympathy, after all it would have been much less of a loss with only FERRARI as a top team.

However there is absolutely no excuse for MICHELIN why they did not even suggest to their teams to race with slightly restricted speed, e.g.by reducing the revs to 17000 or similar. That way all the top teams on the french rubber still would have raced possibly for 3rd, at least for 5th place.

The chicane idea was a total joke and wouldnt probably even have reduced the top speed sufficiently.

Altogether a farce, but neither BRIDGESTONE nor FERRARI can be blamed.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:50 pm

I agree with you here Andre.

Michelin stuffed up.They are to be blamed ONLY!!!

Y blame the FIA or anyone?Y take the route of safety for creating a chicane or changing tyres??This is cowardeness,Michelins attempt to save their backside in the international market.
Michelin talking about giving away championship points & all, is just a marketing gimmick because for the 1st time they have failed this season & BIG TIME.

But well ,like always,all the non-Ferrari fans would blame ONLY Ferrari,cos none if them can digest the fact that Ferrari-Bridgestone team got it right for the first time this season!!! This is a shame,PEOPLE!!

Would Ron Dennis have agreed to create a chicane or change of tyres in a Ferrari,yes, over his dead body!!!!

All non-Ferrari supporters,please email to Michelin for their screw up.
I have done it,as Kimi's chance to close the gap on Alonso was missed.

Sad race,Black Sunday in F1.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:39 pm

F1greyhound wrote:However there is absolutely no excuse for MICHELIN why they did not even suggest to their teams to race with slightly restricted speed, e.g.by reducing the revs to 17000 or similar. That way all the top teams on the french rubber still would have raced possibly for 3rd, at least for 5th place.

The chicane idea was a total joke and wouldnt probably even have reduced the top speed sufficiently.

The chicane is a total joke because Whiting and Todt refused it but 9 teams accepted!

Rev limiting the cars isn't a joke because Whiting suggested it

Very logical F1greyhound

Chicanes were built in the past on safety grounds just a extra laps under safety car were added to cover Bridgestone in the past
But that was FIA sanctioned so it can't be a joke

Bottom line, there is so much politics, this problem was never going to be solved for the good of the fans. You can blame as much as you want. Those poor fans travelling from all over the world will feel a lot better as a result

rah · Post by **rah** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:51 pm

Nah, it's all a joke. Every last bit of it. But there are a lot of people not laughing.

polo2028 · Post by **polo2028** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:43 am

rah wrote:Nah, it's all a joke. Every last bit of it. But there are a lot of people not laughing.

Definitely the 'sadest' joke in Formula One Racing.

So, was Whiting with Todt? (That's seemed ridiculous.)

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:41 am

polo2028 wrote:
rah wrote:Nah, it's all a joke. Every last bit of it. But there are a lot of people not laughing.
Definitely the 'sadest' joke in Formula One Racing.

So, was Whiting with Todt? (That's seemed ridiculous.)

The American press is referring to it as "michelingate" , (SPEED TV) so it might not be ridiculous

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