San Marino Results (BAR Penalised - Won't Appeal!)

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu May 05, 2005 11:00 pm

The Full FIA Statement is now available here

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:22 pm

" The Court Could not prove", so we will just give out this penalty anyway

The sound you hear is the tramp of feet of all the disgruntled BAR Honda fans (all the F1 fans in Japan, just for starters) walking away from F1. Don't these clowns understand the basic tenet of hosting a sport=== Bums on seats!!!. F1 Boats just inherited a large fan base

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu May 05, 2005 11:31 pm

The FIA have yet to confirm the San Marino results but at this stage it looks like the top 8 will be:

1. F Alonso - Renault
2. M Schumacher - Ferrari
3. A Wurz - McLaren (Montoya's replacement)
4. J Villeneuve - Sauber
5. J Trulli - Toyota
6. N Heidfeld - Williams BMW
7. M Webber - Williams BMW
8. V Liuzzi - Red Bull

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu May 05, 2005 11:37 pm

julian mayo wrote:" The Court Could not prove", so we will just give out this penalty anyway The sound you hear is the tramp of feet of all the disgruntled BAR Honda fans (all the F1 fans in Japan, just for starters) walking away from F1. Don't these clowns understand the basic tenet of hosting a sport=== Bums on seats!!!. F1 Boats just inherited a large fan base

After taking some time to read the FIA statement and reviewing the technical and sporting regulations I think the decision is fair. ( Yes I am not very surprised now

)

Basically the Court of Appeal couldn't find evidence that the BAR team intentionally cheated which would have meant excluding BAR from the championship.

But what they didn't like was BAR trying to mislead the Stewards when asked to empty the fuel tank and that BAR failed to clarify the potenital of this situation to occur with the FIA before hand.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:55 pm

what does it means

"SUSPENDS the team for a period of six months after the above-mentioned two events, with this penalty suspended for a period of one year" ??

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri May 06, 2005 12:11 am

sgd wrote:what does it means

"SUSPENDS the team for a period of six months after the above-mentioned two events, with this penalty suspended for a period of one year" ??

Basically the team will be banned for 6 months if they do anything wrong during the one year following the Monaco Grand Prix.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:24 am

Ed wrote:...if they do anything wrong ...

what does it means? other teams can do wrong things?

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri May 06, 2005 12:32 am

sgd wrote:
Ed wrote:...if they do anything wrong ...

what does it means? other teams can do wrong things?

Basically they'll be on probation. Nothing to do with the other teams

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri May 06, 2005 12:35 am

Latest:
BAR Honda appalled at the decision and are examining their options.

They describe the decision as "plainly wrong"

This could mean they appeal the decision

Full statement from Nick Fry BAR CEO

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:56 am

Ed wrote:Basically they'll be on probation. Nothing to do with the other teams

that means FIA will be over-checking his cars for 6 months?
more that they check other team's cars?

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri May 06, 2005 1:04 am

sgd wrote:
Ed wrote:Basically they'll be on probation. Nothing to do with the other teams
that means FIA will be over-checking his cars for 6 months?
more that they check other team's cars?

They could (for a year not 6 months) but a suspended sentence is intended to deter a team from doing anything wrong (and not just the weight of the car in this case) as the penalty (a 6 month ban in this case) would be too severe.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:01 am

Ed wrote:
sgd wrote:
Ed wrote:Basically they'll be on probation. Nothing to do with the other teams
that means FIA will be over-checking his cars for 6 months?
more that they check other team's cars?
They could (for a year not 6 months) but a suspended sentence is intended to deter a team from doing anything wrong (and not just the weight of the car in this case) as the penalty (a 6 month ban in this case) would be too severe.

Understood! thanks.

Ed · Post by Ed » Fri May 06, 2005 3:17 am

Update:
BAR boss Nick Fry made it clear the team want to race in Spain

It's the team's objective to race here this weekend. We need to get some judgement from a court pretty soon, probably tomorrow morning. I think we need to get the car into qualifying so I think that will be our final deadline.

Jim Watt · Post by **Jim Watt** » Fri May 06, 2005 7:21 am

Excuse me race fans if I sound a wee bit cynical. Since Barcelona is going to get HUGE media coverage because of Fernando's exciting run; and since Monaco is the biggest F1 event of the year, I find it hard to believe that this "penalty" is either being fairly levied, or even has anything to do with "competition" or rules. I think it's money talking. I just don't have access enough to guess whose money is talking, but you'll never convince me this isn't about someone paying someone off or back. Honda and their sponsors are going to take huge baths here in lost advert opportunity ... and even when they are allowed to run, they'll have a HUGE BLACK EYE. It's a fact of F1 life that big money runs it and it's a fact of big money that it could care less about fairness or rules or anyother damn thing. That's what lawyers are paid for. To find O.J. Simpson innocent and BAR Honda guilty. Sorry Jenson fans, but this smacks of divine retribution for his little lawyer shenanigans last year, does it not? Am looking forward to Fernando getting caught in a Kimi / Michael sandwich this week end.

cheers and may the best driver stick it to the biggest wallet.

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:33 pm

Yes I agree Jim and that is why BAR should take this matter to a civil court.

BAR will take a big risk if they do that but it may pay off.

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