San Marino Results (BAR Penalised - Won't Appeal!)

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:04 pm

NAh,mind games with Schumi doesnt work.Michael is too tuff a cookie at this stage

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:26 pm

Graham Ross wrote:The most important thing that should come out of this is forcing the FIA to make the techincal regulations much clearer.

On the other hand I feel that BAR should be penalised simply because they seem to push everything to the absolute limit when it comes to interpreting rules. Just like when they retired their cars in Australia. Several other teams could have but didn't. (Then the FIA amended the rule)

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:29 pm

Kapel wrote:Well the gentlemen agreement has been broken unofficially anyways by 2 teams from the "group of nine".Are they cheating too???

I cant understand y Alonso,whose sitting comfortably in the championship , is losing his cool????

Has Imola-Schumi-Ferrari affected his confidence??

Which two teams are they ?

And why isn't Alonso allowed to say what he thinks ? If we are

After his performance in Imola I don't think anything can affect this guy!

You just wait!

And where are your picks

With a brain change, your first pick shouldn't count

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:29 pm

Kapel wrote:NAh,mind games with Schumi doesnt work.Michael is too tuff a cookie at this stage

His body language said otherwise, post race. He was beaten fair and square by a driver in an inferior car! Alonso out-toughed, and out-thought him, and you could see that Schuey new it ,in the press room

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:31 pm

julian mayo wrote:
Kapel wrote:NAh,mind games with Schumi doesnt work.Michael is too tuff a cookie at this stage
His body language said otherwise, post race. He was beaten fair and square by a driver in an inferior car! Alonso out-toughed, and out-thought him, and you could see that Schuey new it ,in the press room

And guess who stuffed up their qualifying run

Tuff Cookie huh!

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:52 pm

JayVee,i mentioned Schumi being a tough cookie in context of what Julian said...scroll above.

Michael was beaten fair & square by some superb control of car & mind by Alonso-Hats of to him.Yes it did show in the press conf.

I meant,Alonso mentioning that Ferrari is also cheating(he has every rgt to make his opinion,pls read what i said when he made such comments) cant be a mind game to disturb Michael at this stage.

Red Bull, McLaren and Jordan have been blasting up and down a runway at Elvington Airfield, near York(Though Jordan usually dont test their entire 30 days,i mentioned 2 teams)
Elvington Park Ltd has appealed. "The cars were tested five days in a row last week," Ian Bailey, of the local Parish council, told thisisyork.co.uk.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:04 pm

Kapel wrote:JayVee,i mentioned Schumi being a tough cookie in context of what Julian said...scroll above.

Michael was beaten fair & square by some superb control of car & mind by Alonso-Hats of to him.Yes it did show in the press conf.

I scrolled above

Kapel wrote:I meant,Alonso mentioning that Ferrari is also cheating(he has every rgt to make his opinion,pls read what i said when he made such comments) cant be a mind game to disturb Michael at this stage.

I read vat U sed

Kapel wrote:Red Bull, McLaren and Jordan have been blasting up and down a runway at Elvington Airfield, near York(Though Jordan usually dont test their entire 30 days,i mentioned 2 teams)
Elvington Park Ltd has appealed. "The cars were tested five days in a row last week," Ian Bailey, of the local Parish council, told thisisyork.co.uk.

I see ? Could it be this Ian Bailey wants some publicity No ?

I bet they were remote controlled

Seriously maybe straight line testing is allowed. Does anyone have the text to this gentlemans agreement or was it verbal

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:11 pm

JayVee wrote: I see ? Could it be this Ian Bailey wants some publicity No ?

I bet they were remote controlled

Seriously maybe straight line testing is allowed. Does anyone have the text to this gentlemans agreement or was it verbal

Gentleman's agreement are always verbal

like a promise

N Promises are meant to be broken

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:21 pm

Kapel wrote:Gentleman's agreement are always verbal like a promise

So what did they sign on ?

We agree to what was discussed verbally

Or did they just nod and Todt didn't nod

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 05, 2005 6:03 pm

Honestly i dont know,but i assume it would be something like that

Mayb thats the reason teasm can break it so easily

alonsofan · Post by **alonsofan** » Thu May 05, 2005 6:28 pm

i hope the ruling is a fair one and not influenced by politics
bernie ecclestone assuming bar guilty is very wrong, he shouldn't say that before the ruling given his position

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu May 05, 2005 10:26 pm

The Verdict:
BAR Honda banned for the next 2 races and their result at Imola scrapped

More details here

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu May 05, 2005 10:36 pm

Ed wrote:The Verdict:
BAR Honda banned for the next 2 races and their result at Imola scrapped

More soon

Why do I feel that we are standing at the edge of an abyss, with a gentle, yet inexorable pressure from behind ?

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 05, 2005 10:41 pm

Ed wrote:The Verdict:
BAR Honda banned for the next 2 races and their result at Imola scrapped

More details soon

yeah... need more details...!!!

it means that soem teams should race 3 cars for those GP's?

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu May 05, 2005 10:54 pm

A bit more details:

The Court could not prove that BAR intentionally cheated but questions the procedure by which the team followed when asked to empty the fuel tank.

No points for BAR at Imola and a ban at Spain and Monaco
A 6 month ban suspended for a year as well.

From the FIA statement

WHEREAS it is not possible for the Court to find, on the basis of the evidence that it was provided with, that Lucky Strike BAR Honda deliberately committed fraud, their actions at the time of the emptying procedure of the vehicle after the event, and the fact that they did not use their right in accordance with Article 2.4, to address a request for clarification on the rules to the Technical Formula One Department of the FIA, show at the least a highly regrettable negligence and lack of transparency,
On these grounds
As to the form,
DECLARES and RULES that the appeal brought by the FIA is admissible
As to the content,
INVALIDATES the decision N?49 of the Stewards at the San Marino Grand Prix on 24 April 2005,
Giving a new RULING,
DECLARES and RULES that the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team failed to comply with Articles 1.9, 4.1, 4.2, 2.6 of the Sporting Regulations and also violates Article 151-c of the International Sporting Code,
EXCLUDES Lucky Strike BAR Honda team from the event in question,
SUSPENDS the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team from the next two events in the FIA Formula One Championship,
SUSPENDS the team for a period of six months after the above-mentioned two events, with this penalty suspended for a period of one year,

It isn't clear at this stage if BAR will appeal this decision

No information regarding the 3rd car