Glock in 9th ahead of Alonso in 10th.
Hamilton 13th
The 2008 Bahrain Formula 1 Grand Prix Thread
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So Felipe Massa did what he had to do and won the race. Great drive by the Brazilian given the pressure.
Raikkonen by finishing second and Hamilton not scoring any points moves into the lead of the championship.
Kubica and Heidfeld showed us today that BMW Sauber are the second force in F1 and while they may not be as fast as Ferrari, there isn't much between them and they kept Ferrari honest today.
Kovalainen didn't seem to be quick today despite setting the fastest lap of the race! He is now equal points with his team-mate!
Trulli finishing 6th confirms Toyota as the fourth force while Webber did a great job finishing 7th in the Red Bull ahead of Rosberg in the Williams
Interestingly, today's result puts BMW Sauber in the lead of the Constructors' Championship by 1 point from Ferrari and McLaren in 3rd another point behind.
I don't think many would have predicted this.
Your thoughts and your driver of the day ?
Raikkonen by finishing second and Hamilton not scoring any points moves into the lead of the championship.
Kubica and Heidfeld showed us today that BMW Sauber are the second force in F1 and while they may not be as fast as Ferrari, there isn't much between them and they kept Ferrari honest today.
Kovalainen didn't seem to be quick today despite setting the fastest lap of the race! He is now equal points with his team-mate!
Trulli finishing 6th confirms Toyota as the fourth force while Webber did a great job finishing 7th in the Red Bull ahead of Rosberg in the Williams
Interestingly, today's result puts BMW Sauber in the lead of the Constructors' Championship by 1 point from Ferrari and McLaren in 3rd another point behind.
I don't think many would have predicted this.
Your thoughts and your driver of the day ?
Interesting attempt at a ram raid by Hamilton 
BMW are getting there slowly, not sure if they will consistently beat mclaren though. Bad drives by Hamilton, Button & Coultard.
Good drives from Massa, Kimi, Kubica, Truli and Webber.
But my drive of the day really has to go to Fisi, he really has lifted the spirits of the strugglers. Well done
BMW are getting there slowly, not sure if they will consistently beat mclaren though. Bad drives by Hamilton, Button & Coultard.
Good drives from Massa, Kimi, Kubica, Truli and Webber.
But my drive of the day really has to go to Fisi, he really has lifted the spirits of the strugglers. Well done
Maybe, perhaps, not sure
Team by team summary following the race (GMM):
FERRARI
Felipe Massa, after two disastrous opening races and under intense pressure to finally perform, snatched the lead from Robert Kubica before the first corner, and the dominant Brazilian was never challenged as he opened his 2008 points account on a circuit he also won on last year. Kimi Raikkonen, in contrast, has looked off-colour all weekend, but the margin to Massa at the end was just a few seconds, and he leaves the Kingdom with the championship lead.
BMW-SAUBER
The team has emerged from Bahrain leading the constructors' world championship, having outpaced McLaren and run Ferrari very close. Pole sitter Robert Kubica had a bad start, as did Nick Heidfeld, and soon Kimi Raikkonen passed him as well as Kubica slid on oil, but the gap to the red cars at the finish was a mere few seconds. "I think without those problems we would maybe have fought with Kimi (for second place)," the Pole said. Heidfeld's race to fourth was a good recovery after a difficult weekend, and he is just second to Raikkonen in the drivers' title chase.
MCLAREN-MERCEDES
Heikki Kovalainen set the fastest lap of the race, but otherwise it was not a good day for the Anglo-German team. The Finn finished fifth, behind the two Ferraris and BMWs, while Lewis Hamilton lost his championship lead to both Kimi Raikkonen and Nick Heidfeld, with a disastrous showing. He messed up his start and lost seven places, and then hit Fernando Alonso and had to pit for repairs, leaving a points finish out of reach.
TOYOTA
Another strong day for Jarno Trulli, cementing his reputation this year as the best of the rest behind the six drivers of the top teams. Timo Glock was happy with his ninth following a slight gearbox hiccup, greeting the chequered flag some half a minute behind Trulli's sixth.
RED BULL-RENAULT
Mark Webber picked his way through the lap one chaos and spent his afternoon chasing down Trulli. David Coulthard bounced off a couple of cars in the first corner and had to pit for a new tyre, and later incurred friend Jenson Button's wrath after closing the door on his countryman as the Honda driver tried to pass.
WILLIAMS-TOYOTA
Nico Rosberg scraped the final point, but he had hoped to race Trulli. "In the end the car was just not good enough," he said. Kazuki Nakajima's awful start, and then a spin on the puddles of oil on lap two, condemned him to a day amongst the backmarkers.
RENAULT
No points in Bahrain. Fernando Alonso carried some rear wing damage from his incident with Lewis Hamilton - which had some British pundits crying foul - to tenth place. Nelson Piquet spun on the early oil and eventually stopped due to a gearbox problem. "My engineers asked me to retire so that we would avoid a penalty in the next race," he said, referring to the new four-race gearbox rule.
HONDA
Rubens Barrichello was the only Honda finisher, after emerging the winner of a scrap with Force India's Giancarlo Fisichella. Jenson Button pitted for a new tyre after the first lap, before criticising his friend David Coulthard for causing their crash by weaving in the braking zone.
FORCE INDIA-FERRARI
A strong twelfth place finish for Fisichella; the first of the eight lapped cars, and again genuinely fighting Barrichello's Honda. Adrian Sutil fell a lap behind the field after a lap one crash, and finished dead last.
TORO ROSSO-FERRARI
Sebastian Vettel tagged a Force India in the first corner, before another car slammed into him in turn four, damaging the rear of his car beyond repair. "I don't know who he was or what he wanted to do," said the German of the unnamed culprit. Sebastien Bourdais' race was an uninspiring run to fifteenth, having started from the same position.
SUPER AGURI-HONDA
Still with easily the slowest car in the field, Super Aguri's drivers both finished in Bahrain, with Anthony Davidson ahead of Takuma Sato
FERRARI
Felipe Massa, after two disastrous opening races and under intense pressure to finally perform, snatched the lead from Robert Kubica before the first corner, and the dominant Brazilian was never challenged as he opened his 2008 points account on a circuit he also won on last year. Kimi Raikkonen, in contrast, has looked off-colour all weekend, but the margin to Massa at the end was just a few seconds, and he leaves the Kingdom with the championship lead.
BMW-SAUBER
The team has emerged from Bahrain leading the constructors' world championship, having outpaced McLaren and run Ferrari very close. Pole sitter Robert Kubica had a bad start, as did Nick Heidfeld, and soon Kimi Raikkonen passed him as well as Kubica slid on oil, but the gap to the red cars at the finish was a mere few seconds. "I think without those problems we would maybe have fought with Kimi (for second place)," the Pole said. Heidfeld's race to fourth was a good recovery after a difficult weekend, and he is just second to Raikkonen in the drivers' title chase.
MCLAREN-MERCEDES
Heikki Kovalainen set the fastest lap of the race, but otherwise it was not a good day for the Anglo-German team. The Finn finished fifth, behind the two Ferraris and BMWs, while Lewis Hamilton lost his championship lead to both Kimi Raikkonen and Nick Heidfeld, with a disastrous showing. He messed up his start and lost seven places, and then hit Fernando Alonso and had to pit for repairs, leaving a points finish out of reach.
TOYOTA
Another strong day for Jarno Trulli, cementing his reputation this year as the best of the rest behind the six drivers of the top teams. Timo Glock was happy with his ninth following a slight gearbox hiccup, greeting the chequered flag some half a minute behind Trulli's sixth.
RED BULL-RENAULT
Mark Webber picked his way through the lap one chaos and spent his afternoon chasing down Trulli. David Coulthard bounced off a couple of cars in the first corner and had to pit for a new tyre, and later incurred friend Jenson Button's wrath after closing the door on his countryman as the Honda driver tried to pass.
WILLIAMS-TOYOTA
Nico Rosberg scraped the final point, but he had hoped to race Trulli. "In the end the car was just not good enough," he said. Kazuki Nakajima's awful start, and then a spin on the puddles of oil on lap two, condemned him to a day amongst the backmarkers.
RENAULT
No points in Bahrain. Fernando Alonso carried some rear wing damage from his incident with Lewis Hamilton - which had some British pundits crying foul - to tenth place. Nelson Piquet spun on the early oil and eventually stopped due to a gearbox problem. "My engineers asked me to retire so that we would avoid a penalty in the next race," he said, referring to the new four-race gearbox rule.
HONDA
Rubens Barrichello was the only Honda finisher, after emerging the winner of a scrap with Force India's Giancarlo Fisichella. Jenson Button pitted for a new tyre after the first lap, before criticising his friend David Coulthard for causing their crash by weaving in the braking zone.
FORCE INDIA-FERRARI
A strong twelfth place finish for Fisichella; the first of the eight lapped cars, and again genuinely fighting Barrichello's Honda. Adrian Sutil fell a lap behind the field after a lap one crash, and finished dead last.
TORO ROSSO-FERRARI
Sebastian Vettel tagged a Force India in the first corner, before another car slammed into him in turn four, damaging the rear of his car beyond repair. "I don't know who he was or what he wanted to do," said the German of the unnamed culprit. Sebastien Bourdais' race was an uninspiring run to fifteenth, having started from the same position.
SUPER AGURI-HONDA
Still with easily the slowest car in the field, Super Aguri's drivers both finished in Bahrain, with Anthony Davidson ahead of Takuma Sato
Wanted to give drive of the day to Sweet FA, not only did he rattle LH's cage, but he gave the aero specialists back at Renault something to think about.
His lap times hardly wavered after the incident making me wonder why they had so much down force to start with?
Maybe they should redesign the rear wing.
His lap times hardly wavered after the incident making me wonder why they had so much down force to start with?
Maybe they should redesign the rear wing.
I'm in shape
Round is a shape...........
Round is a shape...........
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Oh Hamilton oh James Allen oh Martin Brundle and anyone else who is crying foul and blaming Alonso for Hamilton's blunder ..... 
You should all go and take a deep breath, count to 20 before you start saying anything ...
Just because his highness Lewis Hamilton stuffed up behind Fernando Alonso doesn't mean that we have to cop all that rubbish just to find someone to blame .....
Hamilton destroyed his car on Friday ... don't know how it happened but surely perhaps a fan of Alonso or Alonso himself may have managed to distract Lewis with a Laser from one of the nearby stands
Hamilton didn't press the right buttons at the start of the race ... oh no they gave him the wrong steering wheel .... must have been Alonso's old one
Hamilton runs into the back of Alonso ... well Alonso must have lifted or even braked ... try something else James Allen would you ... what kind of a stupid suggestion was that ... or was it just to divert attention ? Isn't it a sleepy Hamilton who crashed on Friday after losing it, forgot to press the right button and got too close to Alonso ....
I just wonder if Alonso drove into Hamilton, would those 2 idiots even suggest that Hamilton lifted or braked ?
It would have been 100% Alonso's fault
But Alonso wouldn't do such a silly mistake anyway ....
The race ... well Felipe Massa bounced back as I predicted He should have also got pole but Kubica decided to go light ...
Others who impressed me were Heidfeld, Trulli and Webber. Of course Alonso driving with a bite taken out of his rear wing was impressive and it was fun watching some if his duels.
I cannot undertstand Kovalainen's fastest lap ...
Anyway McLaren are slipping back ... serves them right ...
How many times has Coulthard been involved in an accident ? Is it 2 out of 3 now ?
My driver of the day was Massa
You should all go and take a deep breath, count to 20 before you start saying anything ...
Just because his highness Lewis Hamilton stuffed up behind Fernando Alonso doesn't mean that we have to cop all that rubbish just to find someone to blame .....
Hamilton destroyed his car on Friday ... don't know how it happened but surely perhaps a fan of Alonso or Alonso himself may have managed to distract Lewis with a Laser from one of the nearby stands
Hamilton didn't press the right buttons at the start of the race ... oh no they gave him the wrong steering wheel .... must have been Alonso's old one
Hamilton runs into the back of Alonso ... well Alonso must have lifted or even braked ... try something else James Allen would you ... what kind of a stupid suggestion was that ... or was it just to divert attention ? Isn't it a sleepy Hamilton who crashed on Friday after losing it, forgot to press the right button and got too close to Alonso ....
I just wonder if Alonso drove into Hamilton, would those 2 idiots even suggest that Hamilton lifted or braked ?
It would have been 100% Alonso's fault
But Alonso wouldn't do such a silly mistake anyway ....
The race ... well Felipe Massa bounced back as I predicted
He should have also got pole but Kubica decided to go light ... Others who impressed me were Heidfeld, Trulli and Webber. Of course Alonso driving with a bite taken out of his rear wing was impressive and it was fun watching some if his duels.
I cannot undertstand Kovalainen's fastest lap ...
Anyway McLaren are slipping back ... serves them right ...
How many times has Coulthard been involved in an accident ? Is it 2 out of 3 now ?
My driver of the day was Massa
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!
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He either doesn't have an awareness of what or who is around him or he just refuses to give any room or to let anyone through, he'd rather take them & himself out of the race.JayVee wrote:How many times has Coulthard been involved in an accident ? Is it 2 out of 3 now ?
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people.......
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Massa gets my driver of the day. Not only for winning the race but for the pressure that he was under for poor performance in the previous races. I was starting to wonder about his ability without traction control and glad that he has proved me wrong.
The highlight of the race for me was Hamilton ramming into Alonso. Hamiltons fault. Everytime these two drivers get any where near each other a sense of anticipation of what is going to happen next comes across me.
BMW are impressing me. Two under rated drivers having a great start to the year.
The highlight of the race for me was Hamilton ramming into Alonso. Hamiltons fault. Everytime these two drivers get any where near each other a sense of anticipation of what is going to happen next comes across me.
BMW are impressing me. Two under rated drivers having a great start to the year.
Logically, one should give drive of the day to Felipe. But given Max Mosley's shady logical exercises, I think I'll go with my gut and give it to Fernando!!
Can't figure out what's on with my driver, Kimi! He didn't ever sound happy (not on Saturday and not on Sunday either) and I haven't read anything from Ferrari yet about strategies.
Ed said that the team commentaries are at the bottom of the Race Report; but I couldn't find them this time either. I'll try again later.
Certainly under Ross B. because Kimi is points leader, they would have leap frogged him over Felipe no matter how fast the boy was going.
People complained about that when Schumacher was the beneficiary, but in fact, it isn't ABOUT favoritism or those nefarious 'team orders' it's simply how you get a WDC.
Think about it: for manufacturers points it doesn't make any difference who gets the eight and who the ten. But for WDC, as we saw last year, a point lost in Bahrain can kill you in Brazil! What I mean is that since winning races doesn't 'really' count for WDC (and that's a whole other topic!), you have to go for points ...
...and, given racing, you're going to HAVE days when, like Hamilton, you can't get them. So whenever you have a shot, you have to maximize your points. That was what Fernando was trying to get Ron Dennis to 'get' last year and you see what NOT managing his drivers' points got him!!
In the golden olden days we had drivers turning over their cars to their mates to insure WDC's... even at their own expense. It wasn't team orders and it wasn't 'sporting ethos,' it was simply common sense.
I think Domincelli (excuse spelling, don't have it in front of me now) is worried about the tifosi ... afraid he'll lose them if he 'favors' the Finn. Ridiculous!! Nobody could have been LESS Italian than Michael -- and the tifosi LOVED him.
That said, Felipe out-raced his mate. Period.
As to Robert Kubica: he played Q3 exactly right, but in the race look at how the red cars ate him up.
There's a lot of nonsense out there about BMW/Sauber. I predict that in Barcelona they'll be lucky to get seven points!! LUCKY. They could end up with only 4.
You have to wonder, given Lewis Hamilton's performance this year, if Fernando isn't sorry he didn't just keep his trap shut? Can you imagine what HE would have done with these opportunities!!
In fact, my vote, finally, is to give him drive of the day! Wasn't it fun to see the way he kept that piece of junk (pronounced RAY NO) hanging on the edge all day with a wing ready to fall off at any moment!!
He should have got a point just for that! Only other driver on the grid who would have done what he did is the Iceman.
Ah well. The McLarens WILL come ROARING BACK in Spain; don't worry. And Kimi will probably NOT start on the front row... BUT, he WILL win the race. Lewis will find a way to let him...
What about Toyota!!?? Jarno T. Has he finally found a team that will give him a machine that will respond to his silky touch? Much as I hate their horrible paint scheme (ONLY out done by Honda!!), I have to believe that they are getting serious about becoming the next FORD/CHEVY type racing presence (they're moving up in NASCAR; they're moving up in F1, now all they have to do is get into Indy Cars and Honda will have to resort to Seppku.)
ah well, we have TOO LONG to think about it!
Where is everybody!?! Where IS everybody??
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Can't figure out what's on with my driver, Kimi! He didn't ever sound happy (not on Saturday and not on Sunday either) and I haven't read anything from Ferrari yet about strategies.
Ed said that the team commentaries are at the bottom of the Race Report; but I couldn't find them this time either. I'll try again later.
Certainly under Ross B. because Kimi is points leader, they would have leap frogged him over Felipe no matter how fast the boy was going.
People complained about that when Schumacher was the beneficiary, but in fact, it isn't ABOUT favoritism or those nefarious 'team orders' it's simply how you get a WDC.
Think about it: for manufacturers points it doesn't make any difference who gets the eight and who the ten. But for WDC, as we saw last year, a point lost in Bahrain can kill you in Brazil! What I mean is that since winning races doesn't 'really' count for WDC (and that's a whole other topic!), you have to go for points ...
...and, given racing, you're going to HAVE days when, like Hamilton, you can't get them. So whenever you have a shot, you have to maximize your points. That was what Fernando was trying to get Ron Dennis to 'get' last year and you see what NOT managing his drivers' points got him!!
In the golden olden days we had drivers turning over their cars to their mates to insure WDC's... even at their own expense. It wasn't team orders and it wasn't 'sporting ethos,' it was simply common sense.
I think Domincelli (excuse spelling, don't have it in front of me now) is worried about the tifosi ... afraid he'll lose them if he 'favors' the Finn. Ridiculous!! Nobody could have been LESS Italian than Michael -- and the tifosi LOVED him.
That said, Felipe out-raced his mate. Period.
As to Robert Kubica: he played Q3 exactly right, but in the race look at how the red cars ate him up.
There's a lot of nonsense out there about BMW/Sauber. I predict that in Barcelona they'll be lucky to get seven points!! LUCKY. They could end up with only 4.
You have to wonder, given Lewis Hamilton's performance this year, if Fernando isn't sorry he didn't just keep his trap shut? Can you imagine what HE would have done with these opportunities!!
In fact, my vote, finally, is to give him drive of the day! Wasn't it fun to see the way he kept that piece of junk (pronounced RAY NO) hanging on the edge all day with a wing ready to fall off at any moment!!
He should have got a point just for that! Only other driver on the grid who would have done what he did is the Iceman.
Ah well. The McLarens WILL come ROARING BACK in Spain; don't worry. And Kimi will probably NOT start on the front row... BUT, he WILL win the race. Lewis will find a way to let him...
What about Toyota!!?? Jarno T. Has he finally found a team that will give him a machine that will respond to his silky touch? Much as I hate their horrible paint scheme (ONLY out done by Honda!!), I have to believe that they are getting serious about becoming the next FORD/CHEVY type racing presence (they're moving up in NASCAR; they're moving up in F1, now all they have to do is get into Indy Cars and Honda will have to resort to Seppku.)
ah well, we have TOO LONG to think about it!
Where is everybody!?! Where IS everybody??
Jim Watt
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What!! I CAN'T VOTE FOR FERNANDO!!
What Gives?
Couldn't you include "Other" at the bottom, Ed? and let people 'fill in the blank'?
I mean, come ON, what are the odds that some one should
'qualify' for Driver of the Day simply for earning POINTS??? Plenty of times the driver of the day doesn't manage even to finish.
Remember Kimi in Hockenheim? Drove the damn wheels off that thing (it was a McLaren. Back when they had 'reliability' issues.
Jim Watt
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Race commentaries are on the news section, here is a direct link (http://www.newsonf1.com/news/#archive)Ed said that the team commentaries are at the bottom of the Race Report; but I couldn't find them this time either.I'll try again later.
Sorry Jim, the emoticons on your post have dissapeared
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Hello Jim,Jim Watt wrote:
I CAN'T VOTE FOR FERNANDO!!
What Gives?
Couldn't you include "Other" at the bottom, Ed? and let people 'fill in the blank'?
I mean, come ON, what are the odds that some one should
'qualify' for Driver of the Day simply for earning POINTS??? Plenty of times the driver of the day doesn't manage even to finish.
Remember Kimi in Hockenheim? Drove the damn wheels off that thing (it was a McLaren. Back when they had 'reliability' issues.
Jim Watt
After each race, we list the top 8 finishers for the driver of the day. Only exception is when a driver retires very late in the race.
While we may not say it at the end of each race, you can always request adding a driver and for this race we have added Alonso and Fisichella
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exaggerations, exaggerations... 
FELIPE - from zero to hero and LEWIS the other way around, come on! It is sport outside the comfort zone, if you give it 100% things can happen, maybe only people who have been racing themselves seriously can understand what is going on...
Jim Watt, FERRARI would not have put MICHAEL through in the 3rd race of the season, maybe you check out 2005&2006 and you will see FELIPE was actually racing him and taking points..
KIMI was good on the weekend, maybe very good if you take his passing manoeuvres against HEIKKI and ROBERT plus the pressure on FELIPE. Obviously he was satisfied with 99% securing 18p for his employer plus the Championship lead. Nothing wrong or weird about that...
LEWIS is just human and between people who worship someone one week only to condemn him the next there are lots of sport fans who will shrug of this weekend just like himself. LAUDA is often speaking through his a...
BMW are seriously on the way up and both drivers were pretty impressive with my vote in the race going to NICK who finally found the necessary grade of aggression to make it to the top. A great outside bet for Barcelona!!!
CHEERS!!!
FELIPE - from zero to hero and LEWIS the other way around, come on! It is sport outside the comfort zone, if you give it 100% things can happen, maybe only people who have been racing themselves seriously can understand what is going on...
Jim Watt, FERRARI would not have put MICHAEL through in the 3rd race of the season, maybe you check out 2005&2006 and you will see FELIPE was actually racing him and taking points..
KIMI was good on the weekend, maybe very good if you take his passing manoeuvres against HEIKKI and ROBERT plus the pressure on FELIPE. Obviously he was satisfied with 99% securing 18p for his employer plus the Championship lead. Nothing wrong or weird about that... LEWIS is just human and between people who worship someone one week only to condemn him the next there are lots of sport fans who will shrug of this weekend just like himself. LAUDA is often speaking through his a...
BMW are seriously on the way up and both drivers were pretty impressive with my vote in the race going to NICK who finally found the necessary grade of aggression to make it to the top. A great outside bet for Barcelona!!!
CHEERS!!!
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When the "Ray No" (that is a bit harsh Jim, I like Renaults!!) is the 7th or 8th fastest car on the grid yet Alonso The Cute has managed to points finish in 2 of the 3 races so far, that is an acheivement.
I read conflicting comments from the Renault camp about the changes due for Spain ... I think I'll stick to Alonso's version who is saying there is no way he can fight for the podium. Just so I don't set high expectations but it does seem that the changes coming are major!!
It is also interesting all the talk about where he will end up in 2009 ... it sounds as if there is a done deal with Ferrari ... who will he replace ?
Regardless, it seems that his so called "childish" behaviour last year doesn't appear to have damaged his reputation at all, if anything, he seems to be demanded even more ... the way he is operating at Renault, wonder if there is any other driver who is more disciplined ...
F1greyhound, so in race 6 it is ok to swap drivers but not ok in race 3 ?
I am totally against team orders and with Todt out I think Ferrari are becoming fairer.
This may sound in total disgreement with Jim but I think the driver should have the maturity and discipline to know when to give way to the other driver.
Massa had no choice but to win in my opinion.
I read conflicting comments from the Renault camp about the changes due for Spain ... I think I'll stick to Alonso's version who is saying there is no way he can fight for the podium. Just so I don't set high expectations but it does seem that the changes coming are major!!
It is also interesting all the talk about where he will end up in 2009 ... it sounds as if there is a done deal with Ferrari ... who will he replace ?
Regardless, it seems that his so called "childish" behaviour last year doesn't appear to have damaged his reputation at all, if anything, he seems to be demanded even more ... the way he is operating at Renault, wonder if there is any other driver who is more disciplined ...
F1greyhound, so in race 6 it is ok to swap drivers but not ok in race 3 ?
I am totally against team orders and with Todt out I think Ferrari are becoming fairer.
This may sound in total disgreement with Jim but I think the driver should have the maturity and discipline to know when to give way to the other driver.
Massa had no choice but to win in my opinion.
I'm back and yes supporting Alonso "The Cute" in the Ferrari!