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Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:19 pm

JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote: Button should zip it, heh,heh. Hehas done nothing to impress. The reason he has value to a team is only to attract British sponsors. I think he will be one of those who show a lot of promise to start with, then fade into oblivion after a couple of years.
I think that is a bit harsh. He is better than Sato and one can only compare a driver against their team-mate (with the exception of Ferrari you know the usual disclaimer )

Many drivers in F1 have "yet" to do something to impress

Sato should not be compared to anyone. He is in a world of his own. Thats why he hits other cars. Button is the one going around saying he is better than this driver, and faster than that driver. Others who, in your opinon "who are yet to impress" are just getting on with the job.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:21 pm

julian mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote: Button should zip it, heh,heh. Hehas done nothing to impress. The reason he has value to a team is only to attract British sponsors. I think he will be one of those who show a lot of promise to start with, then fade into oblivion after a couple of years.
I think that is a bit harsh. He is better than Sato and one can only compare a driver against their team-mate (with the exception of Ferrari you know the usual disclaimer )

Many drivers in F1 have "yet" to do something to impress
Sato should not be compared to anyone. He is in a world of his own. Thats why he hits other cars. Button is the one going around saying he is better than this driver, and faster than that driver. Others who, in your opinon "who are yet to impress" are just getting on with the job.

Agree with that but still think it is a bit harsh to say he has nothing to impress. How do you explain his overtaking in Spa ?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:31 pm

JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote:
I think that is a bit harsh. He is better than Sato and one can only compare a driver against their team-mate (with the exception of Ferrari you know the usual disclaimer )

Many drivers in F1 have "yet" to do something to impress
Sato should not be compared to anyone. He is in a world of his own. Thats why he hits other cars. Button is the one going around saying he is better than this driver, and faster than that driver. Others who, in your opinon "who are yet to impress" are just getting on with the job.
Agree with that but still think it is a bit harsh to say he has nothing to impress. How do you explain his overtaking in Spa ?

Comparing the Bar chassis to the Williams, for example, is like comparing a greyhound to a dachshound.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:02 pm

julian mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote: Agree with that but still think it is a bit harsh to say he has nothing to impress. How do you explain his overtaking in Spa ?
Comparing the Bar chassis to the Williams, for example, is like comparing a greyhound to a dachshound.

Oh come'on julian, Button didn't only overtake Webber. It takes skill to overtake in the wet!
Besides isn't the Williams a much improved car nowadays

rah · Post by **rah** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:21 pm

JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote: Agree with that but still think it is a bit harsh to say he has nothing to impress. How do you explain his overtaking in Spa ?
Comparing the Bar chassis to the Williams, for example, is like comparing a greyhound to a dachshound.
Oh come'on julian, Button didn't only overtake Webber. It takes skill to overtake in the wet!
Besides isn't the Williams a much improved car nowadays

I didn't see the race myself, I watched the times over the net. But Button's lap times were about 2-3 secs quicker when he overtook. It looked as though the wiliams stuggled a lot after pitstops. Once it settled down a bit, Webbers times we equal and sometimes faster than Buttons. It would seem the BAR was more consistent with its handling than the Williams.

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:32 pm

JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote:
JayVee wrote: Agree with that but still think it is a bit harsh to say he has nothing to impress. How do you explain his overtaking in Spa ?
Comparing the Bar chassis to the Williams, for example, is like comparing a greyhound to a dachshound.
Oh come'on julian, Button didn't only overtake Webber. It takes skill to overtake in the wet!
Besides isn't the Williams a much improved car nowadays

Yes it does take skill to overtake in the wet. Webber proved it, by finishing fourth in a much improved pig. (and I quoted Williams AS AN EXAMPLE.)

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:55 pm

Julian, youre ok. But to indicate MARK is a faster racer than JENSON is utterly wrong. Sorry mate, JENSON would tear MARKS a..e up!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:06 pm

[quote="F1greyhound"]Julian, youre ok. But to indicate MARK is a faster racer than JENSON is utterly wrong. Sorry mate, JENSON would tear MARKS a..e up!

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Each to our own opinion, Fig

I say that the real reason Button is desperate to stay out of Williams is that he has publicly stated that he is better driver than Webber, and knows that Webber will simply drive away from him the moment they are in equal cars

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:09 pm

Button overtook Webber when Webber's tyres were off just b4 he pitted. Saying Jenson is special because he beats Sato is a joke - Sato only has a seat due to Honda. Sato is fast but his race craft stinks.

The fact is, both are good drivers and I really hope to see them in a Williams next year - a Williams that can win!

PS - now that the poms have finally won the Ashes after 649 years, Jensen's bickering might die down.

<T-K> · Post by **<T-K>** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:13 pm

julian mayo wrote:Each to our own opinion, Fig I say that the real reason Button is desperate to stay out of Williams is that he has publicly stated that he is better driver than Webber, and knows that Webber will simply drive away from him the moment they are in equal cars

I agree 148%

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:28 am

Byron Forbes wrote:Button overtook Webber when Webber's tyres were off just b4 he pitted. Saying Jenson is special because he beats Sato is a joke - Sato only has a seat due to Honda. Sato is fast but his race craft stinks.

The fact is, both are good drivers and I really hope to see them in a Williams next year - a Williams that can win!

PS - now that the poms have finally won the Ashes after 649 years, Jensen's bickering might die down.

Now be fair, its really only 325 years.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:39 pm

Everyone is getting excited and we may not even see Button and Webber together

julian, did Button really say he is better than Webber ? When, how and why ?

Byron, I agree Sato is there because of Honda but you can't compare Button to anyone else this year.
In Spa he raced well and did most the overtaking I think and that can't be denied.
I do hope to see him up against Webber and I hope he gets beaten just to shut James Allen up. However I hope if he beats Webber people accept that too!

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:41 pm

julian mayo wrote: Yes it does take skill to overtake in the wet. Webber proved it, by finishing fourth in a much improved pig. (and I quoted Williams AS AN EXAMPLE.)

Webber proved what ? I didn't seem him overtake ? Perhaps he did but Button did more overaking. Does that mean he is more skilled ? (Just asking

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Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:17 pm

I can just tell that Webber is better!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:21 pm

JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote: Yes it does take skill to overtake in the wet. Webber proved it, by finishing fourth in a much improved pig. (and I quoted Williams AS AN EXAMPLE.)

Webber proved what ? I didn't seem him overtake ? Perhaps he did but Button did more overaking. Does that mean he is more skilled ? (Just asking

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No you are not. You are displaying covert hostility in an attempt to inflame my ire and indulge yourself in the expected resultant tirade. Sorry to disappoint, but I, like Byron, can just tell he is a better driver than Button will ever hope to be.

JB