Rubens' better then Webber .... (according to JB)

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:15 pm

They will if Webber simply drives away from him.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:18 pm

julian mayo wrote:They will if Webber simply drives away from him.

Nah, I still remember them praising Coulthard last year when Kimi simply drove away

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:26 pm

JayVee wrote:
julian mayo wrote:They will if Webber simply drives away from him.
Nah, I still remember them praising Coulthard last year when Kimi simply drove away

Granted, but DC has the runs on the board, so they could bask in his past achievements

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:03 pm

Ok folks,

lets try to be objective. First of all, what did JENSON really say? I mean untranslated directly provable his own words? From what I have seen in interviews he is a pretty laid back intelligent and decent guy, maybe more so than MARK.

Re.his switch of teams, again, be objective. WILLIAMS brought him into F1, and like KIMI was immediately at the same level as NICK, JENSON was a real match for RALF, actually passing him during the race! in his 3rd or so GP in Interlagos. Now when WILLIAMS wanted JUAN they let JENSON go holding an option on him. In his rather unlucky RENAULT days WILLIAMS made no approach on him but when JENSON started to shine in the BAR they certainly did. Maybe they got the feeling JENSON was actually better than their line-up?
The turnaround of BAR reminded of MICHAELs first year at FERRARI. Maybe JENSON was finally the next Champion? You have to understand WILLIAMS(who want him until today!) and for JENSON the decision to stay at BAR, actually breaking the option of the team that brought him into F1, or to move back to WILLIAMS, a team with arguably still the greater potential at that time. Nevertheless and through all the hassle JENSON did an extremely professional job finishing the season in 3rd place, securing 2nd in the Constructors(together with TAKU).
Now BAR had a really tough first part of this season and you cant describe JENSONs approach anything but loyal and professional. Now he is getting close to last years performances having helped to get the development of the car in the right direction. All this tied him stronger to BAR as he is a fair guy.
WILLIAMS on the other hand are spiralling down having lost BMW as a partner. The option on JENSON certainly included some guarantee of a competitive package. Im not surprised JENSON doesnt get too excited over the change of engine supplier.

To discuss if JENSON or MARK is better makes not too much sense, as the English boy had 10 podiums last year finishing the season on 85 points. MARK is nowhere near these performances and simply still has to prove he is a driver of that calibre.

So when your reporter(whats his name again) states KIMI, FERNANDO and JENSON are the 3 best drivers currently in F1, the fault is not to name these 3 but to leave out MICHAEL who would have to be expected to still beat any of them in the same car.

Byron Forbes · Post by **Byron Forbes** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:37 pm

F1greyhound wrote:Ok folks,

lets try to be objective. First of all, what did JENSON really say? I mean untranslated directly provable his own words? From what I have seen in interviews he is a pretty laid back intelligent and decent guy, maybe more so than MARK.

Yes, I'd be surprised if that wasn't tongue in cheek.

As always, the problem with print is that people, naturally paranoid, will take it to mean the worst.

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:07 am

julian mayo wrote:They will if Webber simply drives away from him.

In who's lifetime?

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:21 am

F1greyhound wrote:
Now when WILLIAMS wanted JUAN they let JENSON go holding an option on him. In his rather unlucky RENAULT days WILLIAMS made no approach on him but when JENSON started to shine in the BAR they certainly did. Maybe they got the feeling JENSON was actually better than their line-up?
The turnaround of BAR reminded of MICHAELs first year at FERRARI. Maybe JENSON was finally the next Champion? You have to understand WILLIAMS(who want him until today!) and for JENSON the decision to stay at BAR, actually breaking the option of the team that brought him into F1, or to move back to WILLIAMS, a team with arguably still the greater potential at that time. Nevertheless and through all the hassle JENSON did an extremely professional job finishing the season in 3rd place, securing 2nd in the Constructors(together with TAKU).
Now BAR had a really tough first part of this season and you cant describe JENSONs approach anything but loyal and professional. Now he is getting close to last years performances having helped to get the development of the car in the right direction. All this tied him stronger to BAR as he is a fair guy.
WILLIAMS on the other hand are spiralling down having lost BMW as a partner. The option on JENSON certainly included some guarantee of a competitive package. Im not surprised JENSON doesnt get too excited over the change of engine supplier.

Sure the guy has talent, and the qualities that a team would look for, but for Frank Williams right now its probably more about securing new sponsorship. This is where the true value of Jenson Button currently lies.
With JB in the team Frank has a far better chance of signing a new major sponsor after losing HP.
The real reason he wants JB is the fact that he is more appealing to sponsors than MW. (imho)

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:06 pm

If people dont like a driver they will always argue he got a drive because of his potential to bring new sponsors.

Has WILLIAMS ever chosen a driver for that reason? Can anybody prove JENSONs true value is the Marketing one?

Well, obviously it is a waste of time to support arguments with facts on this forum.......we better go that way:

FERRARI cheat, MICHAEL is good but not special, RUBENS is really a poor driver, TAKU doesnt belong in F1, MARK is faster than anything else, especially than JENSON..........................................................

YEAH!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:27 pm

F1greyhound wrote:If people dont like a driver they will always argue he got a drive because of his potential to bring new sponsors.

Has WILLIAMS ever chosen a driver for that reason? Can anybody prove JENSONs true value is the Marketing one?

Well, obviously it is a waste of time to support arguments with facts on this forum.......we better go that way:

FERRARI cheat, MICHAEL is good but not special, RUBENS is really a poor driver, TAKU doesnt belong in F1, MARK is faster than anything else, especially than JENSON..........................................................

YEAH!

I think this post should win the "Most Sensible Post of the Year Award", at least for the last part

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:42 pm

Thats what I mean...

cmlean · Post by **cmlean** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:06 pm

From a marketing point of view, it would make sense to have a British driver in a British car with British engines. Damn shame that Dunlop isn't in the game as it was also British. The whole scenario appeals to British money and that is what is needed for Williams to step back up in F1. It would be advantageous to have both in the team and let it be settled on the track as to who was the better. The winging pom or the extradited convict.

GhoGho · Post by **GhoGho** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:29 pm

cmlean wrote:From a marketing point of view, it would make sense to have a British driver in a British car with British engines. Damn shame that Dunlop isn't in the game as it was also British. The whole scenario appeals to British money and that is what is needed for Williams to step back up in F1. It would be advantageous to have both in the team and let it be settled on the track as to who was the better. The winging pom or the extradited convict.

Couldnt have said it better myself, cheers mate!

Alonso Fan · Post by **Alonso Fan** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:08 am

Button is Right anyway, Webber is Rubbish, He is always talked up over here in Australia, And its f$%#%^) annoying.

Both Button and Rubens are faster then Webber, I would take Button over Webber anytime, Button will be #1 Driver for Williams next year anyway.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:56 pm

Alonso Fan wrote:Button is Right anyway, Webber is Rubbish, He is always talked up over here in Australia, And its f$%#%^) annoying.

Both Button and Rubens are faster then Webber, I would take Button over Webber anytime, Button will be #1 Driver for Williams next year anyway.

Alonso Fan, it is good to see more Alonso fans over here!

I agree that Webber is talked up over here however he isn't rubbish. He did well at Minardi and Jaguar compared to his team-mates and I think his move to Williams got to his head and thought he may have a crack at winning the championship this year!.

Neither Button nor Webber have won a race and it would be very interesting to see the two race each other in the same team.
Sadly both are talked up by their respective medias!

Look at Alonso and to a degree Raikkonen, they came from nowhere and won. They are extraordinary!

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:00 pm

JayVee wrote:
Alonso Fan wrote:Button is Right anyway, Webber is Rubbish, He is always talked up over here in Australia, And its f$%#%^) annoying.

Both Button and Rubens are faster then Webber, I would take Button over Webber anytime, Button will be #1 Driver for Williams next year anyway.

Alonso Fan, it is good to see more Alonso fans over here!

I agree that Webber is talked up over here however he isn't rubbish. He did well at Minardi and Jaguar compared to his team-mates and I think his move to Williams got to his head and thought he may have a crack at winning the championship this year!.

Neither Button nor Webber have won a race and it would be very interesting to see the two race each other in the same team.
Sadly both are talked up by their respective medias!

Look at Alonso and to a degree Raikkonen, they came from nowhere and won. They are extraordinary!

Alonso came from Minardi.