San Marino Results (BAR Penalised - Won't Appeal!)

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:34 pm

Max Mosely has fans?????

I'm sure K-D is not his fan,even if Max supports Ferrari blindly

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:49 pm

sigh, then Max has no friends

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:41 pm

all this s#$% is just Fry said some trues loud and ferrari didn't like that, so they pressured the stewards to over-check the BAR...
dirty very ferrari-style tactics... stewards couldn't prove anything then Todt went to FIA and... FIA appeals vs FIA
FIA = Ferrari Is Authority

better would be FIC

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:50 am

sgd, your comment is once more pathetic.............

If the BAR of Jenson was underweight, question is by how much?(accident or purpose), it may be disqualified. However I never liked disqualifications for technical reasons especially after a great effort like Jensons.

To me neither BAR nor FERRARI or any of the other teams are cheating but of course everybody tries to get as close as possible to the limit of the regulations.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:34 am

F1greyhound wrote:sgd, your comment is once more pathetic.............

Thanks. truth hurts...

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:37 am

sgd wrote:
F1greyhound wrote:sgd, your comment is once more pathetic.............
Thanks. truth hurts...

You need to update the timer on your website
Hope that didn't hurt too much

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:58 am

julian mayo wrote:You need to update the timer on your website
Hope that didn't hurt too much

Done!

Thanks!
Now I've changed the site, the old-one which you saw was a project I had with my roommate, but is halted now...

the site I put there is the best russian site on F1 i've ever seen! ...

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:42 pm

sgd wrote:
julian mayo wrote:You need to update the timer on your website
Hope that didn't hurt too much
Done!
Thanks!
Now I've changed the site, the old-one which you saw was a project I had with my roommate, but is halted now...
the site I put there is the best russian site on F1 i've ever seen! ...

Mate, its certainly the best russian site I have seen on F1

Seriously tho, you should be proud of it

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:04 pm

Toyota drops Schumacher penalty appeal!!!
so Nick's got the point officially!
...now just have to wait for Button's...

strange decision, though...

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bad for me in the 8'n'pole, i'm still 220th...

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:09 pm

sgd wrote:Toyota drops Schumacher penalty appeal!!!
so Nick's got the point officially!
...now just have to wait for Button's...

strange decision, though...

Not strange at all. Toyota does not have aleg to stand on. An argumentation based on "There are countless other cases, where this situation have happend" is null and void. If you are not allowed to block and incoming driver, then you are not allowed to block and incoming driver. Period the end!!!!

I had Ralf on a 7th place finish, so obviously would have liked pointswise to have him reinstated, however there never was a case.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:37 pm

K-D wrote:Not strange at all. Toyota does not have aleg to stand on. An argumentation based on "There are countless other cases, where this situation have happend" is null and void. If you are not allowed to block and incoming driver, then you are not allowed to block and incoming driver. Period the end!!!!

I understand, but, did you see it? i think you didn't, as I didn't, so you can not say for sure if it was a block or Ralf just got out right ahead of Nick... as Toyota appealed I though...it could be not a clear block.

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:14 pm

sgd wrote:
K-D wrote:Not strange at all. Toyota does not have aleg to stand on. An argumentation based on "There are countless other cases, where this situation have happend" is null and void. If you are not allowed to block and incoming driver, then you are not allowed to block and incoming driver. Period the end!!!!
I understand, but, did you see it? i think you didn't, as I didn't, so you can not say for sure if it was a block or Ralf just got out right ahead of Nick... as Toyota appealed I though...it could be not a clear block.

The question is not of it being a clear block or not. The stewards called it a block, and that is then end of it. Unless you can absolutely positively prove this was not the case.

Toyota have in their statement today said, that they after having looked over all the records, they can not prove this.

All teams work with the "lolipop-guy", and it is his responsability to let the driver drive of. If he let him go early, the only one that can be punihsed is the driver, that is how it works, and no matter if any of saw it or not. This is a matter which is basically impossible to win on appeal.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:38 pm

K-D wrote:The question is not of it being a clear block or not. The stewards called it a block, and that is then end of it. Unless you can absolutely positively prove this was not the case.

Toyota have in their statement today said, that they after having looked over all the records, they can not prove this.

...This is a matter which is basically impossible to win on appeal.

The question was, of course -was it ablock or not- but you put the fact down:
"Toyota have in their statement today said, that they after having looked over all the records, they can not prove this."
that's it.
It was strange to me as i thought they had looked over all records before they decided to appeal....
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I don't think that such an appeal is basically impossible to win... Stewards are people too and do make mistakes as all do.

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:44 pm

sgd wrote:
K-D wrote:The question is not of it being a clear block or not. The stewards called it a block, and that is then end of it. Unless you can absolutely positively prove this was not the case.

Toyota have in their statement today said, that they after having looked over all the records, they can not prove this.

...This is a matter which is basically impossible to win on appeal.
The question was, of course -was it ablock or not- but you put the fact down:
"Toyota have in their statement today said, that they after having looked over all the records, they can not prove this."
that's it.
It was strange to me as i thought they had looked over all records before they decided to appeal....
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I don't think that such an appeal is basically impossible to win... Stewards are people too and do make mistakes as all do.

This particular one is impossible, when you want to base your arguments on "there have previously been x number of cases where" - This is what Toyota stated on Sunday, and that one they can NEVER win.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:25 pm

ah! the particular... maybe...

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