[POLL] Drivers Top4 F1-2005

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 26, 2005 1:01 am

Ok here is it time to say who are the best for us...
Go! and POST your Top5!!!

n.b You can put them in order or not, is not necesary to say the order, just the 4 best drivers, if you want, you of course can say who is the 1st, 2nd, etc....
n/b2: you can also post yout Top5, Top6, etc....

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 26, 2005 1:10 am

Hey! I'm the first! =) Good, this will be the most read post....

in my Top5 order does not mean a lot.. It's just difficult to me to decide so i put the n.b expresally for me

1.Montoya
1.Kimi
1.Alonso
2.MShumierda

rah · Post by **rah** » Thu May 26, 2005 9:48 am

Obviosly not in order.

MS
Kimi
Alonso
Webber
Button

Bundy · Post by **Bundy** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:16 am

i will put mine in order. feel free to criticise;

1. Alonso - Leads the championship. Showed a lot of talent in Monaco drive
2. Kimi - Will win the WDC this year I believe
3. Schumacher - How do you leave a 7 time WDC out. Love him or hate him you MUST respect his ability.
4. Button - Has had a tough start but once BAR got their s**t together he finished 3rd. (Even though then got DQ'd)
5. Webber - Is consistently quick in Qual. Let down by Williams poor starts. Been beaten twice by team-mate. 1st time poor strategy cost him, 2nd time poor start & team cost him. Otherwise NH doesn't look like finishing anywhere near him.

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:18 pm

My top 5

Alonso The Cute (10 points) - Perfect finish record so far. If his car doesn't chew he would have won 5 out of 6
Raikkonen (9.8 points) - Very fast but a bit hard on cars
Montoya (9.6 points) - Will soon match Raikkonen. Sometimes goes off but I like drivers with character
Trulli (9.4 points) - He has improved so much from last year
Villeneuve (9.1 points) - How could I leave out JV

Worthy mentions:

Ralfie (9.05 points

) - When a Toyota starting from the back beats 2 Ferraris in Monaco, the driver must be worth something

Button (potential) - He only finished once and was then disqualified. He could make it in the top 5 in 5 races but not now

As for Mr. Michael (R-7-R-2-R-7) - Why should he be in the top 5 for this year ? When he starts winning or at least start being conistent, I'll consider

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 26, 2005 6:50 pm

For me the top 4:

1.Michael
2.Kimi
3.Alonso
4.Montoya/Rubens

K-D · Post by **K-D** » Thu May 26, 2005 6:58 pm

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Kimi Raikkonen, Fernando Alonso
4. Juan Pablo Montoya

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:48 pm

Kapel and K-D are spot on,

1.Michael(how can anybody doubt that?)

2.Kimi and Fernando(just a fraction behind), +0.1sec per lap(race)

3.a group incl.Juan Pablo, Rubens, Jenson, Ralf, +0.15sec per lap(race)

4.a group incl.Fisico, Mark, Nick, Jarno, Felipe, +0.2sec per lap(race)

Obviously some drivers are particularly strong in Qualifying, e.g.Jarno and Mark, others are better racers, e.g.Nick and Ralf but in total it all evens out a lot. I find it amazing that Michael holds this position since 12 years

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:12 pm

F1greyhound wrote: 3.a group incl.Juan Pablo, Rubens, Jenson, Ralf, +0.15sec per lap(race)

We have the oportunity to do a real comparison of drivers when they are teammates... so is obvious Rubens will be after MS... After the last 3 years of JPM & Ralf in Willimas, how can you put them in the same level?

in case JPM is in your 3rd level, I think you should put Ralf at least in the 4th... (or Montoya in the 2nd and leave ralf in the 3rd...)
what do you say?

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:24 pm

I agree Sgd,

Ralf in the past 3 years with JPM has sometimes shown good/outclass performance.But the ratio,i would say is 10:3 tilted in JPM's favour

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:25 pm

bundy wrote:i will put mine in order. feel free to criticise;

1. Alonso - Leads the championship. Showed a lot of talent in Monaco drive
2. Kimi - Will win the WDC this year I believe
3. Schumacher - How do you leave a 7 time WDC out. Love him or hate him you MUST respect his ability.
4. Button - Has had a tough start but once BAR got their s**t together he finished 3rd. (Even though then got DQ'd)
5. Webber - Is consistently quick in Qual. Let down by Williams poor starts. Been beaten twice by team-mate. 1st time poor strategy cost him, 2nd time poor start & team cost him. Otherwise NH doesn't look like finishing anywhere near him.

it's hard to criticise because it's your personal point of view, but Button and Webber better than Montoya?
Webber do very good Q-er but in races fade away.(On the F1 analysis i've heard already twice that Webber is a hard cooker... at least that would explain VERY good his Q and race performances...)
Button is good overall (i think) but is a looser by nature, not a F1 winner driver...

Cheers!

F1greyhound · Post by **F1greyhound** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:38 pm

The question was for the fastest, not necessarily the most efficient, drivers..

If you take results by points you might get another picture but I ranked the drivers as I see their pure race speed.

As an example Fernando looks several classes better than Fisico on points this year but in reality the difference is just a fraction of a second.

Overall Id say Juan Pablo and Ralf are pretty evenly matched, a bit similar like Mark and Nick. Im aware of the fact that Juan Pablo and Mark are faster on a single lap or for a few hot race laps but Ralf and Nick are much more consistent.

Rubens is highly underrated, even more than DC. I hope he can show his class this year which is by far his worst since joining FERRARI.

Kapel · Post by **Kapel** » Thu May 26, 2005 10:37 pm

F1greyhound wrote: Rubens is highly underrated, even more than DC. I hope he can show his class this year which is by far his worst since joining FERRARI.

I concur

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:43 pm

sgd wrote:Webber do very good Q-er but in races fade away.(On the F1 analysis i've heard already twice that Webber is a hard cooker... at least that would explain VERY good his Q and race performances...)
Button is good overall (i think) but is a looser by nature, not a F1 winner driver...

Cheers!

sgd, are you sure you mean Webber not Weber (cause that is a real hard cooker

)?

What do you mean Button is good overall but is a looser by nature

Please Explain

I know it is pretty late but I still think I am reading this right

Never heard of a looser being good overall

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:48 pm

F1greyhound wrote:Overall Id say Juan Pablo and Ralf are pretty evenly matched, a bit similar like Mark and Nick. Im aware of the fact that Juan Pablo and Mark are faster on a single lap or for a few hot race laps but Ralf and Nick are much more consistent.

I think if Ralf would be more consistent then Montoya, the last year he'd done a lot more points then Montoya, as the new score system which prizes consistency was adopted. any way i won't disscus more on that. i clearly see our opinions about them won't change.

i can understand a person who after the last 3 years thinks that Montoya and Ralf are pretty evenly matched, can as well think that MS is the best.

I didn't mentioned Rubens, and you bring him to the disscusion...
It's difficult to talk about rubens for me because of kapel, but if I say what i think.... in my opinion Rubens is not underrated, he generally is neither overrated. I only observe a strong trend from the MS fans to over-rate him. that's my point of view.

btw explain that trend is quite easy. but it would hurt many here, so I prefer to let it that way.