Ferrari F2005 makes its track debut

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:20 am

The Ferrari F2005 took to the track for the first time at Mugello.

Test driver Luca Badoer drove the new car for 61 laps with a best time of 1:22.210.

Fastest time at Mugello in 2004 was 1:18.704 set by Rubens Barrichello ... more

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:10 am

Nice! 3.5sec... seems as just didn't make it "out of the box" like the F2004... let see how much time it take them to put it at least 3.5s faster...

(hope more than 2 weeks!

)

note:Renault and Mclaren times in barcelona fell ~2.5s (05 spec) in winter tests...

JayVee · Post by **JayVee** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:23 am

Being the optimist that I am this is GR8T news

But it was pretty cold so lets wait a few days before we start celebrating.

Where is FerrariFan hiding ?

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:59 pm

Cold! it was bloody freezing, he did 61 shakedown laps, and some of those were on the short circuit. The ides of march loom close I say to ye

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:11 pm

61 shakedown laps

Was he shaking off the snow

That time is slow but that's why Badoer is a test driver

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:32 pm

I think he was shaking with cold! zero degrees at 300kmh, What's the wind chill factor in that?

Graham Ross · Post by **Graham Ross** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:44 pm

bloody cold I reckon

don't they have warmers under their seat ? they must have, at least at Sauber

JV tested with snow at the track at Imola didn't he

Julian Mayo · Post by **Julian Mayo** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:32 pm

Yeah,he had bundles of bat money under his suit to keep him warm

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:03 pm

"Melbourne (GMM) Ferrari broke an F1 test agreement on Tuesday, by amassing more than 50km of 'shakedown' mileage in GP week.

Debuting the new 'F2005' model at freezing Mugello (Italy), Luca Badoer completed 317km -- 267 more than allowed."

Now tell me that ferrari does not CHEAT!!??

ferrari = cheaters = losers!!!
win championships with cheat = to be a f***** loser!!
anybody disagree??

Ed · Post by Ed » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:24 pm

sgd,

I am not taking sides here. My position doesn't allow me but I must point out that as far a I am aware, the 'shakedown' regulation is for cars that will race on the weekend and the F2005 won't be racing this weekend and hence they can test.

Second, Ferrari did not sign the agreement limiting testing during the season. All the other 9 teams did.

Fair or not, that is a matter of opinion and you have certainly expressed yours.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:37 pm

Ok... let see:
I read that here: http://www.f1central.net/news/article/1 ... /view.html
and contacted them (f1central.net) with the next questions:
1.Isn't this the agreement limiting testing that ferrari did no sign for this year?
2.isn't the 'shakedown' regulation for cars that will race on the weekend?
and their answer:
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Dear Sgd,
Thankyou for your email.
There has been an agreement for many years that teams would not test, other than shakedowns, in the week leading up to any grand prix. Without consulting the author I assume this is what they were referring to but I can get you more information.
Kind regards,
Webmaster [UpdateSport]
---
I'll ask for more info...

What do you think?

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:00 am

sgd,

This article doesn't provide any evidence on such an agreement.
If they did break a rule, the FIA would investigate and other teams would complain. Neither has happened.

Reviewing the 2004 and 2005 regulations under testing, nothing is mentioned regarding a ban on testing.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:18 am

Ok...
I've requested more info, a soon as they give me something I'll be posting here...

in the other hand, if it's an agreement in doesn't have to be in the 2005 FIA regulations... and FIA wouldn't had to investigate anything, I thought it was an agreement as that they (all-ferrari) signed for limiting testing during this season (which ferreri certainly did not sign), but an old one which ferrari did sign...
anyway.. complains to http://www.f1central.net/ redaction...

...
if they don't give documented argumentation...

Ed · Post by Ed » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:45 am

Well the 2001 Sporting regulations stated:

TESTING
65) No testing is permitted :
...
b) on any circuit during the seven days preceding and the day following race day at each Event except for a shakedown test not exceeding 50km which must be supervised by the relevant ASN ;...

But from 2002 onwards, that clause is no longer there

And to support this, there was press release by the FIA on October 3, 2001 part of which stated:

FORMULA ONE
2002 SPORTING REGULATIONS
radio signals may now pass bi-directionally between cars and pits;
the FIA will no longer limit the amount of testing teams carry out.

sgd · Post by **sgd** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:50 am

Ed wrote:FORMULA ONE
2002 SPORTING REGULATIONS
radio signals may now pass bi-directionally between cars and pits;
the FIA will no longer limit the amount of testing teams carry out.

Well... but in f1central.net they talk about an agreement...not a FIA rule...