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I said we are going round and round. We agree to disagree as I don't believe everyone does it.Kapel wrote: JayVee,i would say you go into defending a team(mayb ur fav or not,but any non-ferrari team)
Even if a driver doesnt have a chance to win a championship,would he like to have race wins against his name????I'm suprised by the way u want to believe that a driver is happy giving away his race win for his teammate to win championship!!!
After Austria'02,as team orders were banned,all team running in for championship uses different way to make sure one of their drivers win it.Ferrari does is more blatantly,which have given them a bad name in these years,but c'mon everyone does it.Thats my point!!!!
Except in GermanyKapel wrote: With Michael losing this year,i'm sure the tv rating & attendance at the race venue have increased.
It was just to make u happyKapel wrote:[quote="JayVee
But earlier you say "have not been in any position"
thought would buy u a drink at the bar,but as u dont visit there thought to end this expression of disagreement.[/quote]
Done deal!!!We shall certainly never agree to this,wanna have a drink???JayVee wrote: I said we are going round and round. We agree to disagree as I don't believe everyone does it.
When a team-mate has no chance of winning the championship then they don't have to help another team by taking points away from their own team-mate.
As for a driver giving away a win, that is very theoretical and hasn't happened (except of course in the case of Barrichello and DC-Hakk GA! )
Finally some here have short memories. Two classic examples of no team orders:
McLaren in 1988 when Senna and Prost fought it out to the end and Williams in 1986 when Mansell and Piquet finished 2nd and 3rd behind Prost in the McLaren.
And you still say everyone does it huh?.
Feel free to defend Ferrari's lack of sportsmanship but don't go accusing the other teams of doing the same thing in disguise
Except in GermanyKapel wrote: With Michael losing this year,i'm sure the tv rating & attendance at the race venue have increased.
It is a matter of principle not about being happy or not. Many things we do we may not be happy about but we still do them cause that is the right thing to do.rah wrote: You are of course correct. I have no facts that McLaren would be unhappy about NOT winning the WDC when it was so close. lol.
Every team gives team orders. I don't know how you believe this to be any other way.
Read your posts. You asked me for proof that McLaren were NOT happy. I then said the above, implying that any team would be unhappy about not winning the WDC. That was what the post was about. You yourself said in the lounge you thought that McLaren were using team orders. Stop trying to turn my argument around into something that it is not.JayVee wrote:It is a matter of principle not about being happy or not. Many things we do we may not be happy about but we still do them cause that is the right thing to do.rah wrote: You are of course correct. I have no facts that McLaren would be unhappy about NOT winning the WDC when it was so close. lol.
Every team gives team orders. I don't know how you believe this to be any other way.
As for everyteam gives team orders, look up 86 and 88 for a very definte no to that statement
rah, lets not get distracted here. You said "Every team gives team orders. I don't know how you believe this to be any other way"rah wrote: Read your posts. You asked me for proof that McLaren were NOT happy. I then said the above, implying that any team would be unhappy about not winning the WDC. That was what the post was about. You yourself said in the lounge you thought that McLaren were using team orders. Stop trying to turn my argument around into something that it is not.
As for 86 and 88, well it was almost 20 years ago. A lot changes in 20 years. For instance I was under 10 years old at that stage.
GhoGho wrote:Sorry Jay Vee, had i seen the race you mentioned where JPM made way for Kimi i would have said the same as i did about the cute one. Anyway i will have to do the same as Kapel and agree to disagree, just remember that the No. 2 driver at ferrari willingly signed a contract to be No.2 .
At the time RB said something along the lines of "I would rather be No 2 at a team where i can be competitive than drive for a team with no chance of scoring points". Now that he isnt scoring points he would rather be elsewhere
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"Gives team orders" kind of lends itself to presentence. I wasn't really thinking about the glory days. But if you need to go to the ridiculous in the name of argument then thats fine.JayVee wrote:rah, lets not get distracted here. You said "Every team gives team orders. I don't know how you believe this to be any other way"rah wrote: Read your posts. You asked me for proof that McLaren were NOT happy. I then said the above, implying that any team would be unhappy about not winning the WDC. That was what the post was about. You yourself said in the lounge you thought that McLaren were using team orders. Stop trying to turn my argument around into something that it is not.
As for 86 and 88, well it was almost 20 years ago. A lot changes in 20 years. For instance I was under 10 years old at that stage.
I just gave you a very clear example of how this has happened another way. Regardless of the time it happened
McLaren team orders, I think I made myself clear when I said when a driver has no realistic chance of winning the title then they ought not to take away points from their team-mate who is fighting for the championship. This is in no way similar to appointing a number one driver in a team from the start of the season.
What really suprised me with many here is that they complained about Fisichella giving way to Alonso yet didn't want to mention Montoya giving way to Raikkonen a race earlier. I was hoping people here would go beyond what the TV feeds them
Spel checkrah wrote:That's it mate, you had better spell check everything you post now.julian mayo wrote:As soon as I figure out how to agrou I will re-read them
I am watching you!
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